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PeepsMcJuggs
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10:53:00 AM Nov 15th 2012
There seems to be an awful lot of Face Heel Turns listed that aren't REALLY Face Heel Turns. I'd recommend people heavily consider the circumstances of the character's fall from grace. Remember, the Face Heel Turn means he was a truly good guy from the start (not someone we just THOUGHT was good) and did a 180 switch to evil WITHOUT being brainwashed or coerced. Basically ask the question "Did they become evil of their own free will?" If the answer is "No" or "Not exactly," you might be looking for another trope.
Bhaal
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08:42:27 PM Apr 2nd 2012
Fixed a tiny little, trivial issue; Satan isn't really referred to as the angel who betrayed God, at least in the Bible proper. He's more commonly and accurately known as Lucifer. It's a minor, trivial edit, so I fixed it up for a tad more accuracy.

That being said, if anyone wants to go through and correct me on this, please do, as I'm going for accuracy here more than anything else. Any other mention of Satan does not need to be referred to as Lucifer, except in the context of fallen angel/betrayer of God. When referring to the king of Hell, Satan/Devil is likely the most correct form, but for all intents and purposes, I believe Lucifer is the correct name attributed to the Fallen Angel.

It's trivial, I know, but also accurate [at least according to the books and citations I have read.] If anyone has information that explicitly contradicts this, edit as you will.
SavvyAngel
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04:19:44 PM Nov 11th 2011
How is this a tearjerker?
AbsolutGrndZer0
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07:48:53 PM Oct 12th 2011
I'm not comfortable with editing pages myself yet, but I notice that the Rumble Roses series isn't mentioned in Face Hell Turn? I figure why not, since the whole game is about whether they are "Face" or "Heel". Though Rumble Roses XX did away with most of the storyline, it can still be assumed that having the title taken away makes them go bad, or in the case of those that start Heel, being beaten 5 times by the person that wants them to go Face unlocks their face persona. For example, Candy Cane (a punk rocker who dropped out of school)'s teacher Miss Spencer says, "Miss Welsh, go back to school!" on the fight announcement page when they encounter each other, then after Miss Spencer beats Candy Cane 5 times, you unlock "Becky" her cheerleader persona.
Valjean
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10:13:32 PM Oct 6th 2010
Have issues with the page quote, as it isn't really indicative of this trope, nor an example or mention of it. A quote from a really good guy turning truly evil, either forever or until a very pronounced Heel-Face Turn, would fit this trope much better.

Would recommend the immortal "Bored now."
81.109.147.46
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12:30:03 PM Jul 13th 2010
◦Willow's Face Heel Turn came about due to her going crazy after Warren accidentally killed Tara Only according to Word of God. Warren was outside Buffy's home, he "accidentally" fired in the air, Tara was upstairs in the middle of the room. The bullet went up 15 feet, then abruptly turned a right angle and the camera angle follows the bullet going into Tara's heart. You do not accidentally build a magic gun that shoots around corners. As soon as the Nerd Herd murdered Tara, Buffy, Giles and Word of God told us that the Nerds had done their own Heel-Face Turn and were the Good Guys now. Willow's "insanity" was also Tell Dont Show. Throughout season 6, the raping, murdering Nerds were the enemy. Murder and rape were shown to be evil acts. Buffy pulls the new moral message out of her arse and Willow Didnt Get The Memo. The other Scoobies took a long time before they believed the New moral Message. Over season 6, Buffyerse had become such a Crapsack World that destroying it was an act of compassion. End of 6/21, Giles apparates in and challenges Willow. 6/22 Willow and Giles fight with magic. Giles lets Willow win. She sucks the Magic out of him. This was Giles' Xanatos Gambit. Giles was carrying heroin magic and a spell to destroy the Buffyverse. So it was Willow's fault that she used the destroy the Buffyverse spell which she would not have had xcept for Giles' cunning plan.

Eddington in DS9 was a Heel-Face Turn. He starts off as an evil Government Spy. Then he joins the Maquis = La Résistance Cardassi are Those Wacky Nazis IN SPACE! That episode was an homage to Les Misérables by Victor Hugo. Sisco became Javere the evil chief of secret police, Eddington became Jean val Jean, he made the Messianic sacrifice, he died to save his friends. Subsequent events in DS9 and Real World History proove that appeasing tyrants is a Policy Of Doom
81.109.147.46
12:35:56 PM Jul 13th 2010
Salmoneus is my user name, I wrote the unsigned rant above. I can't see a button to edit it.
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