Main Character Shilling Discussion

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06:32:21 AM Aug 15th 2014
"Doctor Who: Rose Tyler. The Doctor and Captain Jack would gush about how special she was... though a few fans would argue that there was very little evidence of this and considered her a Canon Sue."

Ok. Rose Tyler isn't my favorite companion and there are reasons to not like her but I still fail to see how she qualifies as a Canon Sue. I don't remember the Doctor or Jack gushing over her. I just remember the scene in "The Shakespear's Code" where the Doctor say that "Rose would know what to do" and this happens before the Doctor warms up to Martha and accept her as a full time companion. Besides this, the mentions of Rose in seasons 3 and 4 (before Turn Left) are casual Continuity Nod and there are barely none in the Moffat era. As far as I know, Canon Sue is not a synonym for Love Interest (Rose isn't the first nor the last one to the Doctor.)

"And to some fans, the shilling got worse even after she left the show with Martha, the next companion leaving because she felt as though she couldn't compare to the Tenth Doctor's memories of Rose,"

Martha left for two reasons. 1) Because she had to look after her familly. 2) Because she loved the Doctor and the latter didn't love her back and never will. Rose Tyler isn't even mentionned or alluded in the conversation.

"Rose returning to help save the entire universe in the next season"

What is that have to do with Character Shilling? Anyway she did it with the help of the Doctor and others companions. One can argue it's mostly Donna who saved the day.

"and finally, being chosen as a visual interface by the Moment in the 50th anniversary because she (of all the Doctor's companions, past and present) held the most significance to him."

  • check transcript*

"MOMENT: I hear you. All of you, jangling around in that dusty old head of yours. I chose this face and form especially for you. It's from your past. Or possibly your future. I always get those two mixed up. WARRIOR: I don't have a future. MOMENT: I think I'm called Rose Tyler. No. Yes. No, sorry, no, no, in this form, I'm called Bad Wolf. Are you afraid of the big bad wolf, Doctor? "

At which point did the Moment say that Rose Tyler "held the most significance to him of all the Doctor's companions"? I just read that the Moment just tried to take the form of someone familiar to the Doctor then failed because it took the form of someone he hasn't met yet.

Does anyone contest?
01:01:54 PM Jan 21st 2014
What about "He is an awesome fighter!" and it turns out he can not fight and everything was a lie.
01:04:44 PM Jan 21st 2014
That's a good start for an example, although I would probably add it as an example if they shill him more.
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