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Niccolo
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06:11:27 AM Jun 2nd 2013
I've been reading through the Badass Creed examples; we're having a lot of non-creeds creep in.

Like under Videogames, there's an example for Modern Warfare 2 which boils down to "We got betrayed, let's kill the bastard." It's a Rousing Speech, not a creed. Or the Chantry Prayers listed under the Dragon Age examples. They're prayers, do they really count as a creed? I'm not sure. And Metal Wolf Chaos has something that's somewhere between a Pre-asskicking one liner and a catch phrase - but it's not a creed.

I think we need to clarify the definition for what a creed is, as there's a lot of potential for overlap with catch phrases and the like. For example:

"To qualify as a creed, it can't be something that the guy just screams out - that's a Catch Phrase. For something to qualify as a creed, it must:
  • Be a code of honour that the character(s) live by
  • Form an actual part of their actions/beliefs/morals
  • Not be shouted out by a general prior to the final battle; that's a Rousing Speech"
OpsMan92
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09:11:01 AM Mar 23rd 2012
edited by OpsMan92
I thought that Robert A. Heinlein's "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." was pretty badass. Who agrees with me?
LBHills
11:23:09 AM Jan 30th 2013
Actually, if I had to choose one boast from Heinlein's assorted Mighty Male Leads, it would be from "If This Goes On-": You cannot conquer a free man. The most you can do is kill him.
153.96.220.2
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07:44:53 AM May 5th 2011
Is the Assasins Creed really a good example? I mean, it's just meaningless nonsense that sounds badass.
Debatra
12:12:45 AM Jun 27th 2011
edited by Debatra
There's also some debate as to whether that quote is even valid, given how "nothing is true; everything is permitted" is used in Assasin's Creed 1 as opposed to 2 and Brotherhood. If we want to use an Assassin's Creed quote, I'd recommend using the actual list of rules given in the first game:

"Stay your blade from the flesh of an innocent. Use discretion at all times. Never betray the Brotherhood.

Nothing is true; everything is permitted."
Peter34
05:00:21 AM Apr 1st 2014
Isn't that from the original historical Assassins, i.e. the Ismaelites of Alamut? They had something like that, and then it makes a lot of sense tat the video game guys would use it.
Meeble
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01:06:19 PM Feb 18th 2011
This page has gotten to just under 250,000 characters, and is getting a bit difficult to navigate in my opinion. Once it hits 400,000 characters, it will hit Fast Eddie's Big Page Lock report and need to be split.

I propose that we go ahead and perform the split now to pre-empt the problem, and to make the page more readable. I would be basically giving each folder its own sub-page, with the main article being an index of those sub-pages.

Would anyone object to me doing this? If not, I will probably get to it in a week or so, to give people time to chime in.
Meeble
07:10:34 AM Feb 25th 2011
Since no one objected, I went ahead and made the change. New examples should be placed in the appropriate subpage.
201.140.58.19
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07:36:58 PM Oct 21st 2010
On the dalek creed: I don't know what's worse, how descriptive the all blue entry is, or the fact that they acutally view themselves that way.
Wulf
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12:24:07 AM Jul 15th 2010
Okay, this page has gotten really long, and its just a matter of time before it gets to the point before it's too long for edits to show. Any objections for me splitting the page off by medium and making a Badass Creed/ namespace? There's also a thread on this— feel free to chime in there. Or here.
SomeSortOfTroper
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01:47:09 PM Jul 1st 2010
I removed some non-creeds from the Real Life section. Common problem of real life sections- you get several examples that seem to match up exactly but then people start putting in things tangential to the other real life examples but not fitting of the trope.

Also, some things just aren't badass. It may be hard to pin down but it still exists in a realm of dangerous action filled heroes who enacts violence with a cool demeanour. The Hippocratic Oath does not count.
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