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Atz
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07:07:24 PM Sep 4th 2010
edited by Atz
On the Dragon Age example:

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't Loghain, Anora, Alistair, Morrigan, Isolde, Fergus, Levi, and Bryce all Celtic or Gaelic names? And Leliana, Zevran and Oghren are foreigners and a dwarf, respectively. Seems fairly consistent to me... any objections to it being removed?
Jumpingzombie
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01:06:56 PM Nov 1st 2010
edited by Jumpingzombie
Am I the only one who thinks that a lot of people's reactions to this is overblown somewhat? I get that it can be weird is certain settings, especially with two names like Sam and Tullopinna is rather distracting. However, I see people reacting over names in more realistic settings and Real Life that aren't that weird. Just because they're not as common as Sarah, Rachel, Tim, and Bill names like Laurel, Glenda, Fran, Lana, and Byron are not some super weird abominations upon the spoken word. I dunno, Ive just seen names that that get reactions from people like "Wow, what a weird and strange name you have. Who would ever ever think to use that name?" when they don't seem that over-the-top to me. :P
bardicfeline
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04:52:20 PM Dec 8th 2010
I cannot be the only one to think that the Rocko's modern life one isn't a real example...at least not for all of those names. Rocko is stated in canon to actually be from Australia, for instance, where that name wouldn't be so unusual. And Spunky is a pet dog...if we can legitimately use this trope for pet animal names, then the list of examples would be ENDLESS. I'm just saying...

Also, it seems like a lot of these examples ignore the whole "cosmopolitan setting rule". (I.E., instances where it would actually make SENSE for this sort of thing to happen.)

For that reason, I also question the Real Life examples. I mean, the original trope is based around the Bad Writing mistake of having people have exotic names or overly modern names in settings where it wouldn't make sense for them to have them, right?
SixtyXCelph
06:12:36 PM Jan 23rd 2011
"Also, it seems like a lot of these examples ignore the whole "cosmopolitan setting rule". (I.E., instances where it would actually make SENSE for this sort of thing to happen.) "

To that end, I don't think the trope name itself is appropriate, considering Final Fantasy VII takes place over the entire world, so, why would it be weird to have a mix of names?
MrDeath
08:38:18 AM Jan 24th 2011
The trope name is a reference to the Alice And Bob trope  *, and doesn't depend on whether or not FFVII itself is an example: It's an odd name next to a regular name, which is the heart of the trope.
dementia13
10:36:52 AM May 23rd 2011
I have a different problem with some of these examples: just because a name isn't familiar to a particular troper, doesn't mean that it's unusual or exotic. "Boggs" is mentioned as an example under Monsters Inc., and that's a fairly common surname. Small reference pools, and all that.
denehaven
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09:26:04 PM May 23rd 2011
For Tamora Pierce's names, Lalasa, Joren, Cleon, and Baird are all real names. She started making up names in Lioness Rampant, starting with Thayet and Buriram. She has begun bringing back normal names now. She had Owen, Conal, all the others I mentioned and more in Protector of the Small and Rebakah (hebrew spelling of Rebecca, Tansy, Matthias and more in Provost's Dog.
dreed
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12:33:37 PM Oct 10th 2011
The whole trope falls under fridge logic. Not the examples of the trope but trope itself. Why is Aerith stranger name than George? Why should characters actually notice that strangest? it is really not stranger than Edwin or Mike, inverse. The trope creation comes from very narrow American point of view which assumes that all currently used names are okay when everything which does not fall in that category is strange. It is completely illogical.

The only appropriate examples would be a name for a Gaul from Asterix comics which does not end with "ix" or if every girl is named after a flower except one and nobody notices it.

Aerith and bob is not a proper example

DaibhidC
04:01:19 PM Nov 8th 2011
edited by DaibhidC
Speaking as a non-American, I disagree. Largely because I'm not seeing "currently used" anywhere in the trope description.

If a fantasy culture was pseudo-Gaelic, and one guy was called John Smith for no reason, that would seem just as odd as if a pseudo-English culture had one guy called Aonghas mac Og without explanation. However, the reader can assume the character's ancestors came from another country, which is the Fantasy Counterpart Culture to the country the name actually comes from, even if the writer doesn't spell this out.

But if one guy is called Zibbbobex Ytranta, that stands out in either society, and to a much greater extent since it's not a name the reader can apply to a real world culture. On the other hand, if there's lots of people who have names made from random collections of syllables, it's the ones with "real" names that stand out.

I'm not saying all the examples actually follow this logic, but the trope itself seems pretty solid to me.

(And if every girl was named after a flower but one, and no-one noticed, I'd assume it was a coincidence. On the other hand, if every girl was named after a flower in Latin but one, and she was called Judy, or even Rose, I'd find that a bit odd.)
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