It's not just a matter of allegiance but of readability. You think Qui-Gon and the first thing is going to be "Jedi". Same as Satine is Mandalorians, Lux on Onderon, etc. Classifying Qui-Gon under a Force being, in addition to be inherently misleading (you're grouping a ghost with immortals and abstract entities) makes it that much harder for the reader to find what they're looking for.
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Readability: that's why I put a link to the Non-aligned page at the bottom of the folder.
Qui-Gon was a Jedi in The Phantom Menace. However he was not portrayed as one in this series. He was portayed as a Force-ghost here, and it's always the portrayal that primarily counts. Since he wasn't a Jedi in the series, he has nothing to do on the series' page for Jedi. Following your argument Dooku should be listed on this page as well, simply because years before the series he too was a Jedi! Or Boba Fett on the Army page, because he is a clone of Jango Fett as well!
As for the grouping being misleading: ehhm how you figure that? He's a Force-ghost, someone who retained his identity after joining with the Force, and tus became immortal, just like the Priestesses did. So why wouldn't he fit between immortals and abstract entities, if he achived immortality through an abstract concept?
Dooku started out the films as a bad guy. That's what he's always been. We're never introduced Dooku as a good guy. We're told he was a good guy that went bad.
Boba Fett was never in the army. He was always with Jango, a bounty hunter, and became one himself. More importantly, we're introduced to him in the films as a bounty hunter. That is the core of his character. This show just builds on it.
Qui-Gon was a Jedi. That's how we met him, that's how he died. That's how the characters remember him. Thus, that's how best to characterize him. Just because he no longer falls under their command doesn't change that. He's still looking out for their interests even in death.
Qui-Gon was a Jedi in the MOVIES! And in the case of these pages it doesn't matter what was in the movies, it doesn't matter who he looks out for, it doesn't matter how the other characters remember him, because the series, which these pages are about, did not portray him as a Jedi. By role, he was not a Jedi. Just like it doesn't matter for either these or the movie pages that Dooku used to be a Jedi, because as you said, his role is being a villain, and not a Jedi.
Just look at Qui-Gon's entry: none of the tropes listed under him, are about his life as a Jedi. It's all about his afterlife as a Force-being. So on what account does he belong here? None, except for the sentiment of "He was once a Jedi.", which is totally irrelevant.
Except, again, Dooku was always a villain. Qui-Gon was not always a Force ghost. He was a Jedi, and is still aligned with the Jedi. All his appearances are about helping the Jedi. To categorize him as non-aligned is misleading, because he's looking out for them.
Incidentally, Mentor Occupational Hazard didn't happen in this show, but we list it, because it's a relevant aspect of his character from other media that aids in the understanding of his character. If anything, his entry should be expanded to clarify that he was a Jedi Master (or Knight, I forget how that went) and Obi-Wan's former mentor. It's rather bare at the moment.
Qui-Gon's entry is bare, because it's about his role in the series. It doesn't matter what his role was in the movies. For that, he has an entry on the movies character page. As for Mentor Occupational Hazard, I think I already deleted it once for this exact same reason. Seriously, why not add Laser Blade to the list, while we're at it? Oh, probably because he didn't have one in the series! These things simply don't belong here.
As for "To categorize him as non-aligned is misleading, because he's looking out for them." part, I think you're missing the point of that page. The non-aligned page is for characters who did not get involved in the Clone Wars, at least not on the part of the warring factions. It's not that the characters listed there, are automatically unconcerned with the events, it's just they are not taking part in the war. So yes, Qui-Gon might be helping the Jedi, but that doesn't matter. He's no longer part of the Order, because he's dead. He doesn't participate in the War, because he's dead. His role is not about being a Jedi, because he's dead, who came back as an immortal Force-being. His role might be guiding some of the Jedi, but he's not doing it by being a Jedi, but by being a Force-spirit. And his help is not about aiding the Jedi to win the war, so he's not involved in the war. On no account does he belong on the Jedi page.
Jumping to one extreme doesn't help make a point. He doesn't use a Laser Blade in this series, so that is irrelevant. He was Obi-Wan's mentor, so that is. You're forgetting that this series isn't standalone. It does make reference to facts outside the series and assumes the viewer has watched the films.
"The non-aligned page is for characters who did not get involved in the Clone Wars, at least not on the part of the warring factions."
The Zygerrians were aligned against the Jedi in particular and the Republic in general, which would make them poorly categorized at the very least (Third Side Parties would be better), and by your own qualifications Qui-Gon cannot apply, since his entire appearance is basically to tell Yoda "do this so the Jedi survive the war".
I'm not forgetting that the series fits into a bigger picture. You're the one can't understand that, the picture of the series is not the same as the picture of the movies. He doesn't use a Laser Blade so it's irrelevant, yes. But he's no longer Obi-Wan's master either, so that's irrelevant as well. Yes Qui-Gon was a Jedi long ago. But his role in the series is not about that. It doesn't matter what're his motivations, or on who's side he is. He's role is all centered on the fact that he returned from death as a Force-being, who's not participating in the war.
As for the zygerians, I did consider putting them on the Third-side page. However once again, their role had little to do with the war itself. They were simply taking advantage of it, to profit from slave-trafficing. Again, it's not that they're unconcerned with the events, just that they don't participate in the war. By your reasoning Hondo should be on the third side page as well, because he too got mixed up in the events. But again his role is not about taking part in the war.
I had hoped someone else would have weighed in at this point to break the stalemate.
Obi-Wan being his former padawan is still relevant if it's brought up, which I'm reasonably sure it is the first time he showed up. Also, while Qui-Gon may exist as part of the cosmic force, he is not in the same category as gods and otherworldly entities, and he is actively trying to save the Jedi.
If Qui-Gon didn't care or others were going to him for help, I could accept recategorizing him. But the fact is he's the one acting, not others. They're not trying to find him, he's actively trying to set them on the right path for their benefit, as possessed to the Ones who had their own agenda and the Priestesses who helped because they were asked. His motivation is separate, and decidedly for the benefit of the Jedi rather than himself.
Yeah it would be helpful to hear a third opinion.
Obi-Wan being his former padawan is brought up only twice, and none of those occasions related to Qui-Gon's appearances. (I'd also like to add a nitpick,that he's part of the Living Force, not the Cosmic.) As for not being the same category, sorry that's just silly. "Force-beings" is an extremely loose category. Orphne, the frog-fairy from "Mercy Mission" also belongs there since Word of God says that she's the same magical aspect as the Ones or the Witches, (I'm working on an entry for her), and she's neither God, nor "an otherworldly entity".
I also said, that Qui-Gon's motivations don't matter. If motivation decided which character belongs to which page, Sidious and Dooku should be on the same page. The reason they're on different pages, is because of their depictions as the leaders of the Republic and the Separatists respectively. Likewise, Qui-Gon might look-out for the future of some of the Jedi, but he's not doing it by being a Jedi. He isn't depicted/portrayed as a Jedi. Further more, he never even said, that the Jedi must survive. He said the forces of Light must survive. And as Barriss and by the end of "Sacrifice" Yoda also recognized by merely participating in the war, the Jedi Order have lost the Light.
Again: Qui-Gon is no longer a Jedi. His role in the series is not about that he was a Jedi. His role is about the fact that he Ascended to a Higher Plane of Existence, and he wants to share it with a select others. Why he wants to do this ( at least as far as the matter of which page he belongs on goes) is irrelevant. His past life as a Jedi and Obi-Wan's mentor, along with his motivation is enough for him to be mentioned by a link, but his entry has nothing to do on the page that deals with the way the series depicts the Jedi Order and it's members during the Clone Wars.
The Rogue Penguin, Qui-Gon Jinn has nothing to do with the Jedi Order at this point. The fact that he only shares the secret of immortality with Yoda, proves that his alligence is primarily not to the Order, but to the Force.
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