Discussion Characters / GenshinImpactFontaine

I recommend keeping them separate like how Jemma and Lorenzo are due to the nature of their relationship.

I brought up the suggestion due to the two aforementioned characters having at least three common tropes ("Bittersweet Ending," "Heroic Bastard," and "Siblings in Crime"), which are written in a near-identical fashion. In the event they are to be joined in a single folder, those three common tropes can be placed under a "Shared Tropes" subheading (maybe we could also add "Sibling Yin-Yang" to that list, as well as "Mirror Character" if we also consider Veronique a parallel to Jemma), while those particular to either character are given their separate subheadings.

Hmm...I suppose we could rename them The Two Musketeers. But heavily disagree with the Veronique-Jemma Mirror Character comparison, since the latter was wholly acting out of a sense of entitlement. I mean other than being part of a duo that committed murder there isn't much similarity between them.

That depends on if the contents of her folder reaches 40k bytes. As of this writing, she only has approximately 24k bytes, only slightly more than halfway to the 40k threshold.

I see. Well, if she gets more, then it could at least be considered.

Purely the Narzissenkreuz characters? The entire section from the general folder (Past) to Annapausis Lyris' folder is just slightly more than 7k words.

IMHO, we could probably add a hidden comment on Genshin's character pages denoting the minimum word and/or size quota for certain folders to be given a separate page (forgive me if I misheard, but someone said the quota is idealy either 40,000 words or the page size is at least 40KB).

It's 40,000 bytes, or 6,000 words. So at 7,000 words Narzissenkreuz Institute is eligible for its own page.

Speaking of... should we move Seymour and Caterpillar to the Narzissenkreuz page once it's created? Seymour can definitely be separated from the folders for generic enemy mooks, and Caterpillar has way more presence in Wake of Narcissus + Pursuit than Unfinished Comedy.

I think all entries should be ideally written for fresh eyes who know nothing about the lore, otherwise spoiler tags are unnecessary. So I prefer Cater to be where he currently is. I agree with moving Seymour though, since the Mek section is primarily for the enemy units.

Additionally, I've been wondering if it's more worth it to lump the historical characters with the Narzissenkreuz Institute not only because they shaped the kids' fates in some way, but also to give more focus to the living Fontaine characters on the main page.

A section called "Characters related to the Institute" would work for the human historical characters.

Do we also move Elynas over given the importance of the battle there ? Or do we try to keep things spoiler free like for Cater and keep him in the main Fontaine page.

Personally I would simply relabel the Narzissenkruez page as "Historical" because we're currently lacking any entries about the Remurian era (though I'm not sure how important they'd be in the grand scheme). There is no twist as to who Elynas is unlike Cater so I would move Elynas there.

They are different Lyrises. One is the OG Lyris who was orphanage director and Red Empress, and one is the Mary-Ann/Lyris fusion you meet in game. The Fandom wiki has the Mary-Ann/Lyris fusion on Mary-Ann's page (more like, it considers the fusion to be Mary-Ann). I consider the fusion to be its own character, and thus shouldn't be fused with either Lyris or Mary-Ann. At the end of the Narzissenkreuz quests, Narzissenkreuz suggests merging Ann and Mary-Ann and then splitting apart Lyris and Mary-Ann. They refuse, meaning they've become their own persons.

We wait for him to actually get the 40k, and we make sure the rest of the page isn't too short without him

It's likely more appropriate to just split the Fortress of Meropide than give Wriothesley his own page. The area is more lore-relevant than we thought.

Well, it looks like Wriothesley got his own page anyways. I think this will be fine, else we would've crossed into an Arataki Gang situation again, where the character that carries the character sheet and gets his own page, causes the sheet to not qualify for its own section.

Unlike the Arataki Gang which consisted strictly of 5 people, the Fortress of Meropide is considered to be a separate community to the Court of Fontaine entirely which we witnessed in the Archon Quests, the misc World Quests I undertook to earn coupons and Wriothesley's own Story Quest. It will take me some time to compile everything though.

Once Sigewinne becomes playable, we most likely need to create an entirely new page for the Fortress, but Wrio has so many entries he will probably still have his own page

Rhodeia, Idyia and Urania's tropes are all on other pages and the entries for Endora + the newest additions currently don't add up to 40k words, so I don't think it's time yet.

OK. Entries can be recalled, as Veluriyam Mirage is an isolated time-limited region rather than part of Sumeru despite the similar biomes, and four-leaf sigils that send the PC to the air when key T is pressed.

Yeah, I think it’s about time to give the Oceanids their own page. Only question is where should we put it since they are everywhere in Teyvat.

Probably under Other. Unless you want to put it under Transnational organizations.

Sounds okay to me.

May I clarify that by bytes, you mean words?

Based on Character Specific Pages, it's suggested that "bytes" means individual characters (letters).

Once she gets very close to reaching 40000 bytes, then yeah.

@Konoe Jerry how many bytes does her folder currently have?

Approximately 25,286 bytes at the time of this writing. I may gather her folder into a Sandbox page for later reference.

I don't think so, given that the previous four did not get the same treatment.

Edit- Did stated that Ei used to get that treatment prior to getting her own page, but then, I remember her character profile being under the Inazuma characters now. Perhaps the tropes regarding her within the Archon page should moved to here instead?

So basically move all the tropes under "Hydro Archon" to Furina's entry replacing it with "The current Hydro Archon of Fontaine. Please see her page here"? I'm ok with that