I think Ange does "use and lie to her comrades" at least once, in Episode 8 - she agreed to work with Hilda, then tried to discard her as soon as she got the chance (before Hilda's reason got to her). Furthermore, prior to that event, she really doesn't care if she screws over everyone else with her actions on the battlefield (such as Kill Stealing, both in violation of orders and impoverishing her teammates by doing so).
Now, of course she never considered Hilda or the other Norma to be her comrades, but that's kinda the point. She's the other kind of Unscrupulous Hero from Jill, in that prior to meeting Sala, her motives are pretty much selfish (though not unsympathetic or unreasonable) and she doesn't mind screwing people over if it gets her what she wants (though unlike Jill, there's a limit to how far she'll go when screwing people over).
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I didn't see the discussion here.
The difference between a Pragmatic Hero and Unscrupulous Hero is degrees, chiefly that the latter has much less compunction about collateral damage. Ange may skew on the selfish side, but then, many pragmatic heroes do as well, and she lacks the bloodthirstiness of the unscrupulous hero, and never even jumps the line. (Heck, she's HORRIFIED when she learns she's been killing dragons.) And she did see Hilda and the others as her comrades, otherwise she wouldn't have went back to stop the massacre. (Not to mention her kill record suggested she did all she could to keep them from dying, all kill steals aside. The violating orders isn't a problem of itself as much as the depriving others of income.) The Hilda thing was because of lack of trust after the Vilkiss sabotage.
First off, please don't revert edits until the discussion is complete - that's an Edit War.
Anyway, you're wrong about the Unscrupulous Hero - there are two types in the description, and Ange has characteristics of both. Either ruthlessness in achieving noble goals or having ignoble and selfish goals but limits to how one will achieve them, and in either case, their heroism is defined largely in comparison to their antagonists. Ange doesn't just "skew" to the selfish side. She may be "helping" her comrades, but in a way that leaves them impoverished - and she does not give a damn whether they're getting more than the bare essentials of life. She doesn't mind using and tossing Hilda (yes, of course she didn't trust her - but then, Ange was the one who proved herself untrustworthy). And of course, she was fully intending to shoot Julio after he'd surrendered and retreated - we call that Pay Evil unto Evil.
Yes, she's horrified by the revelation that she was killing humans (and humans who were in the right). She has standards. She doesn't have Jill's ruthlessness, but she also doesn't have Jill's good intentions. Her active benevolence is pretty strictly limited to Momoka and Sylvia. (Bear in mind that the argument that she was taking on the entire burden of the fighting to protect everyone else had an In-Universe source. We don't get to read Ange's thoughts on the subject, and personally I doubt that she's actually thinking that much.)
Bottom line, if Ange didn't have the Sympathetic P.O.V. that she does and enemies who were worse than her, and later get a special Sala-prescribed dose of Character Development, she'd be nothing more than a thug. As it is, she's a complicated character, but too far down the line to call a Pragmatic Hero.
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