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...Honestly, it totally mystifies me that all of the MCU characters for people to go all-in on whitewashing, people picked Hayward. Originally it seemed like episodic troping was primarily to blame since it didn't really become clear that he was actually a bad guy instead of just misguided until the sixth episode at the earliest, but the problem's clearly kept up long past the end of the show.
Shit, at least Agatha was entertaining. Hayward sent a missile towards children and treated Vision like he'd treat an old car.
I feel like it's worth mentioning that rva has had issues with these sort of things in the past. Not necessarily in the way of whitewashing bad guys, though they have done that
, but in the general...practically (or actually) edit-warring and posting long paragraphs to discuss while getting wrapped up in their own POV sort of thing.
I'm just saying. I see their name in ATT a lot.
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Bumping
So basically the Draco in Leather Pants entry became a Ron the Death Eater one.
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nrjxll, when I see people whitewashing him, it's in tandem with demonizing Wanda, so I get the feeling that her detractors relate to the character that expresses their viewpoint in-universe. This is just a wild guess though. :)
Edited by Tenebrika
None the less , it does seem they are trying to make him look better based on opinion rather then his actions. Which show a ruthlessness and willingness to cross lines to get the weapon he wants.
I thought that the defending of Hayward would have died down after all the stuff that was revealed about him but I guess not.
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I mean if he was charismatic I could understand. But basically his only definition was want weapon, manipulate fragile Scarlet Witch to get weapon, kill Scarlet Witch (and other collateral damage) to keep weapon and cover up may have help cause her mental breakdown leading to her taking over a small town.
I know Draco in Leather Pants is in need of TRS; probably there are inconsistencies in its definition and use. Still, I'm pretty sure the proper context for any trope entry needs to say how all of the requirements of the trope are met. For DILP, one of such requirements seems to be that the character in question is a jerk and/or a villain; consequently, I think a DILP entry needs to mention their bad actions. Also, I don't think a DILP entry should actually argue in their favor.
So, on YMMV.Wanda Vision, a Draco in Leather Pants entry saw a series of suspicious tweaks.
Then, Tropers/rva98014 edited
the entry with the edit reason, "Hayward did not plan to use the anomaly from the start to animate White Vision. He discovered Wanda's residual energy would work as a power source and used it." I don't think this explains the removal of the point about Hayward's disinterest in rescuing the townsfolk. Also, I feel that "he is quite willing to ensure Wanda is killed" is quite downplaying the fact that Hayward attempts to murder her by firing a missile at her. (In another reason for deletion
, the same troper cited "generalizations without providing real specifics.")
I edited the entry
to (hopefully) accurately describe Hayward endangering and attacking the kids. I mentioned the speculation about them being hex creations - well, I thought this was interesting; I think the show's final scene implies they are real but saying so in a trope entry would verge on Speculative Troping, so I wrote that this is left ambiguous in the show, erring on the side of caution. I'm sorry about my grumpy edit reason.
Then, Tropers/rva98014 edited
the entry again with the edit reason, "Draco In Leather Pants which is the situation where the fandom takes a controversial or downright villainous character and downplays his/her flaws. An example of this trope simply has to point out how this is occurring. It's not necessary to argue whether the "downplaying" is justified or not." I don't get how the edit reason goes with the edit itself because it removes the part pointing out Hayward's villainous actions but keeps the part that allegedly justifies him.
Then, Tropers/rva98014 made another little edit
with the reason, "I think the "apparently" is needed. Yes he did disregard Vision's will but the story is unclear if he had done this without approval. It would not be the first time that a will was overridden nor were his actions particularly clandestine making it hard to justify "project cataract" was a top secret project no one but he knew about." This doesn't bring any proof from the show proper to back up this speculation. The speculation that shifts the blame from Hayward.
Also, Tropers/rva98014 edited
another entry saying in their edit reason, "Agatha was not running the entire show, she just kept introducing elements of chaos into the scenarios because she was trying to get Wanda out of her pretend world. Sparky was never a real dog either and Agatha knew that she was only "killing" a prop." While the part about Agatha not running the entire show is true, the rest sounds like justifying her, too, and decisively calls Sparky "a prop." IIRC, the show doesn't indicate he isn't a real dog.
There's a mod note on top of the page saying that the guy is "an antagonist meant to be seen as an antagonist," and you should not whitewash him. From these edits, I get the feeling the Draco in Leather Pants entry about him is gradually turning into a self-demonstrating one, what's with cutting bits about his bad actions, downplaying, and justifying them. Should something be done?