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I'm personally leaning towards "doesn't count as a Dork Age." Has the user replied to discussion yet?
A Dork Age would need a few to several bad entries in a row. A rare stinker now and then doesn't qualify. The only games I know of that people weren't receptive to are:
1) Sixth gen: Mario Kart: Double Dash!! and Super Mario Sunshine. People originally disliked Double Dash for introducing the winged Spiny Shell and the soundtrack wasn't as great as other Mario Kart games. Super Mario Sunshine was disliked for being Super Mario 64 in the tropics. Both are now vindicated by history for trying to be different with Double Dash!!'s dual-drivers and Super Mario Sunshine's FLUDD.
2) Eighth gen (Switch doesn't count as it's unknown since Sony and Microsoft don't have their next console sequels out): People grown to dislike the New Super Mario Bros. series (2 and U) as showing "Nintendo ran out of ideas". The series hasn't be vindicated by history yet though. For Super Mario 3D World and Land, they were loved by players though. The only pieces of criticism some had of those games is why they couldn't be Super Mario Galaxy 3 instead or a remake of Super Mario Sunshine at the very least.
Edited by Ngamer01
I think that's enough to disqualify the sixth generation right there. As for the eighth gen, even if it was controversial in some ways, it just doesn't seem like a strong enough example to count for the trope. Even New Super Mario Bros. 2 was moreso just highly divisive than it was full-on panned, nor did it help tank Nintendo as a company or anything like that. And there were still other well-loved games released like Super Mario Maker, Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, and Mario Kart 8.
@dragonfire5000: Not yet, but I'll wait a little longer.
Edited by StardustSoldier
I am not sure we should be considering the Gamecube era of Mario games a Dork Age, unless someone wants to try to include the Mario Party games. I did personally enjoy a good amount of the games from that time period.
So the deleted Gamecube/GBA & 3DS/Wii U entries were re-added to the Nintendo folder, this time by a different user, even though the consensus from the discussions is still leaning against these being examples of Dork Age.
I do understand what the examples are saying, and I think they touch on some valid points. I just feel that it's more a case of something like Contested Sequel or Broken Base than it is a full-on Dork Age. However, I didn't want to just go ahead and delete the examples again and risk getting into an edit war. And I am willing to leave the discussion open for anyone else to chime in. But beyond that, I'm not really sure what to do next.
Edited by StardustSoldier
Dork Age is YMMV, while you (and I) don't feel it was one for gamecube era Mario, it seems to have been one in the eyes of those tropers. If someone took the effort to put it back, I would leave it alone.
Sent a Pm with a link to this thread to the troper who readded the examples.
^^^^^^ I can't say either Double Dash or Sunshine were ever hated. They weren't as well-liked as their N64 predecessors but, aside from a vocal minority, they were never truly disliked. 'Just seen as more flawed.
@jameygamer: Did they respond?
Both the GameCube/GBA era and the 3DS/Wii U era are listed as a Dork Age for Mario on the video games page. Myself and a few others got into a discussion
about it, and we felt that neither of those actually do classify as a Dork Age. One of the users went ahead and removed the examples. Soon after, however, they were added back by another user, who disagreed with the deletion. The other user was unaware that there had been a discussion about it, so I linked him/her to the appropriate page.
I'm still leaning on the side of 'doesn't count as a Dork Age' myself, but I felt that maybe I should get some more opinions first. Thoughts?
Edited by StardustSoldier