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I think that needs a revert. Third person is used on the main wiki pages. The group 'we' is the closest it gets.
The content can be plumped on a SD page if anyone wants to keep it.
Might want to message the guy about not doing using first person in a main article.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
The content can be plumped on a SD page if anyone wants to keep it.
Yep, moving the page to SelfDemonstrating/ was the action I thought would be best, but just want to check: is it o.k. for a SelfDemonstrating page to exist of a Work or Creator that doesn't have their own Work/ or Creator/ page?
Might want to message the guy about not doing using first person in a main article.
I sent Troper Frabaginarf a message about This Troper language being inconsistent with the writing guidelines of this site (with a link to this ATT discussion).
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Why isn't there a pre-configured message about This Troper issues in the "Issue Helper" drop-down list you get when you click "Send a Message" on a page's History? "This Troper" issues seem to be common, so why not add a pre-configured message about that?
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Since their only action with their account has been to make that edit and they haven't done any action on TvTropes since, I'm not holding my breath though to get a response.
I think the page should get deleted. We don't need more self demonstrating pages, much less one of some random person who made the page.
Copied it to SelfDemonstrating/ and did Cut List request for the Creator page.
Howdy. Just to be clear, I felt I had an obligation to myself to correct invalid information about myself. Nobody else was going to do it. I think the page's original writer just adds pages to this website about any topic they can find and aren't interested in being informative or accurate. When I found the page, and again, nobody but me was going to find it and care, I didn't see what else I could do but add a bizarre disclaimer pointing out what was incorrect. This site's weird code words for EVERYTHING, including when trying to seek help with its lack of coherent directions, and self-writing message system being easier to find than the actual functional message system, prompted my action. In any event, if you have more to say but cannot reach me here, I am extremely easy to find elsewhere, just as I would have been extremely easy to ask what my actual name is (or isn't).
If you can change the title to say "bimshwel" instead of that other one, and all other instances of it, you could go right ahead and revert all my edits. I have no remote intention of ever referring to myself as "this troper." especially since the other person already did and that would just be confusing. Imagine: "this troper would prefer to be called bimshwel even if that troper, hereafter to be known as this troper, but not currently THIS troper, believed otherwise."
Edited by Frabaginarf
You could have corrected the main page information without turning it self-demonstrating.
There's also a link to Ask the Tropers in the sidebar of every wiki page, as well as other links to navigate around the site. Simple exploration or asking here teaches a lot.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
"Ask the tropers" does not immediately imply a place to ask a private direct question about a non-trope-related matter. And as far as correcting, I saw no way to change the title. In that case I could only guess at the proper protocol for identifying a page title as incorrect, and no better way to indicate my authority to declare it wrong other than to say who I was. The message I get here is that it is more important that the page be written strictly according to rules than truthful, which I will never agree with. And the fact of the matter is this website thinks it is really funny and encourages people to act like they are. And therefore I wrote my portion in a silly way. Humor is subjective, and on a page about ME, it seemed logical to try to be in a way that I understood.
But if I erred, so be it. Can the page title be changed to not say "queg" or can it not be? In the latter case, you certainly have MY permission to remove it altogether, however little clout my permission carries here.
Edited by Frabaginarf
I don't think there was anything wrong with simply editing the page to make it correct. This is a wiki, you can edit pages yourself. As for moving the page, How to Move a Page shows the procedure.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
^^You might want to check out The Fic May Be Yours, But The Trope Page Is Ours. You can correct publicly verifiable information, but you do not own the page -including a Creator page.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Eh, I don't see an issue with an author correcting mistakes on the page about them. The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours is principally concerned with people who try to remove valid material.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
"The message I get here is that it is more important that the page be written strictly according to rules than truthful, which I will never agree with"
"on a page about ME, it seemed logical to try to be in a way that I understood"
In context, this came across to me as someone who is more concerned about the content of the page belonging to him (it doesn't) them adhering to site guidelines.
(Sidenote: The page can be perfectly truthful -but it has to follow guidelines too.)
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
I think that very reply right there proves my comment, contained within, about the rules is correct. It is impossible for somebody not poisoned with this website's bureaucracy to correct inaccurate information about themselves without learning every intricate, unintuitively-named rule and procedure, nor even to know how to go about learning those things. And the infantile yet facistly-enforced fake-comedy style of the pages makes it yet more difficult to write a correction without the correction looking out of place. These sorts of attitudes are why innocent people go to jail. That it can applied to the most insignificant topics while smirking is terribly unsettling to me. I am glad this page was finally removed! I don't know when or why, but I don't know why it was put there to begin with. I would have preferred the page to be RIGHT than gone but that appears to be a systematic impossibility.
Um, that is a little unfair I think. "Facist (sic)"? Anyhow, you can still write a non-self demonstrating page.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The page Creator - Queg is written from the first person, (pretending to be) written from the Creator themselves. Then at the end it says it is written to be self-demonstrating.
Aren't self-demonstrating articles only allowed in the /SelfDemonstrating Namespace? And ThisTroper language not at all?
P.S. the Troper who re-wrote it extensively into the current form, Frabaginarf, only has one edit
and it is that. Apparently that Troper either is, or is pretending to be, the Creator in question. Again, seems fishy in the light of The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours.
Should this page stay in the form it currently is? Or what to do with it?
Edited by LB7979