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I think you get it.
Subversion is when a trope was set up in work, but then avoid the trope.
Double Subversion is when it set up the the trope, then avoid it, but then use the trope straight afterward.
Untwisted...what is it? If it's straight example then it's straight example, no need for some unnecessary double-negative no plus no equal yes or the like term.
Aversion is when the trope doesn't set up at all. Usually this is only noteworthy if the trope is generally expected in that work.
Edited by Kuruni
I think I didn't ask my question correctly, so here it is: Is Double Subverted when a trope is Subverted, but then that Subversion is Subverted to make the trope occur after all?
Maybe I'm thinking too hard about this, but that is actually how I meant to ask my question before.
"In conversation, do you listen or wait to talk?" "I have to admit that I wait to talk, but I'm trying harder to listen." — Pulp Fiction
Yes, that is it.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Yeah, you understand it correctly, I would say.
You know what helped me most to get it, other than reading examples on Double Subverted? Reading Playing With Wiki. For the more popular tropes, we usually have a subpage with played with tropes. They are written to be easily understood and to present the basic concept in a . simple way.
Here is a list:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/namespace_index.php?ns=PlayingWith
Thank you X Fllo, Septimus Heap, and Kuruni! I'm definitely taking a closer look at each page now.
"In conversation, do you listen or wait to talk?" "I have to admit that I wait to talk, but I'm trying harder to listen." — Pulp Fiction
Even after reading Playing with a Trope, Playing With Wiki, and [Trope Name], I still don't quite get what a Double Subverted trope is. The basic definition is that the trope is Subverted but then is Subverted again to make the trope occur after all; that's how I understand it. But, what confuses me is whenever there ISN'T a "Playing With" page on the main trope's page, thus there's no clearly defined way to know whether an example that I want to enter is Subverted or Double Subverted or Untwisted or Averted or the like.
My main question is: is Double Subverted where a trope is Subverted and then Subverted again to make the trope Played Straight? Or is it more complicated than that?
Edited by mouschilight