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jormis29 Since: Mar, 2012
Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
21st May, 2017 04:56:22 PM

However, we do not create redirects for U.S. vs. Commonwealth spellings; that is one thing specifically called out in the policy pages. Redirects are never to be used in example lists and should not be indexed, so what's the point?

Trope redirects are created for one thing and one thing only: searchability. Someone looking for a concept under a name different than what our trope is titled should be able to find it with relative ease. If you type in a term and our article is a top hit (or you search on the site and get the right trope), then there's no need for a redirect for that term. As far as I know, all search engines accept both U.S. and Commonwealth spellings for common words, so there should never be a need for such a redirect.

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alnair20aug93 (Long Runner)
26th May, 2017 06:51:10 AM

This applies to plurals too, right?

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Candi Since: Aug, 2012
26th May, 2017 07:12:40 AM

Yep. The Locked Pages thread has seen multiple turn downs from multiple mods denying the creation of redirects.

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alnair20aug93 (Long Runner)
1st Jun, 2017 02:26:46 AM

I don't know if we would have a thread for redirects, or that would just be redundant?

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
1st Jun, 2017 06:20:24 AM

American and Commonwealth Spellings

Rule #4 states that we are to create redirects for US vs Commonwealth spellings. The policy is at least five years and has not been changed since then.

Edited by crazysamaritan Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Candi Since: Aug, 2012
1st Jun, 2017 09:50:29 AM

Ooooh boy, that needs to be updated.

That page isn't locked, but I doubt it's a good idea to just change it without Word of Mod/Admin consensus on the not creating redirects for alternate dialects.

I wonder how often we'll run into such changes as the site moves onward with software and such.

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012
2nd Jun, 2017 03:44:05 PM

You know, it doesn't aid searchability BUT it is bringing language equality. This is to say, there are many pages where one English got there first and it is not the wiki policy to change a few s's and u's one way or the other. This means the standard is mismatched: some British and some American. Surely then the titles deserve both versions, to not make some articles appear exclusively one English variant. I don't think that's is explained well, but it did make sense for me

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Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
2nd Jun, 2017 05:37:42 PM

The hell? Are we at the point where we're seriously concerned about equality of representation of variations in English spelling?

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lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012
3rd Jun, 2017 03:05:11 AM

No... I guess I mean more like, random tropers aren't going to see every page, so some might have only seen titles and pages in British format - when they later come across something in American, they'll assume it's wrong and start editing to change it to the other. Then someone else will have seen the site the other way around. We've already had cases where tropers thought one version took precedent. If a redirect were showing on the pages with the other spelling, it would most likely dispel tropers of the assumption that any and all articles had to match.

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
3rd Jun, 2017 06:37:19 PM

Tropers generally change British spelled pages to American English, and I assume it is because their browser tells them the words are "misspelled".

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Candi Since: Aug, 2012
3rd Jun, 2017 09:06:40 PM

When people do that kind of change, usually a polite PM on policy solves it.

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crazysamaritan MOD Since: Apr, 2010
3rd Jun, 2017 09:15:20 PM

It may prevent future changes, but I've yet to see a troper revert the changes made.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Candi Since: Aug, 2012
4th Jun, 2017 12:10:54 AM

1) Reverts can be requested.

2) They can be changed back, although there's rarely a pressing reason to do so.

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Fighteer MOD (Time Abyss)
4th Jun, 2017 07:09:46 AM

Noting here that I apparently misremembered the policy page, and it is our official rule that we can make redirects between Commonwealth and U.S. spellings. So feel free to request them in the Locked Pages topic.

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