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The entry says "implied", but goes on assuming this is true. I don't think that's how it works and would consider removing it.
I know FNAF has a lot of "lore that will forever remain vague on purpose", but we need to exercise Speculative Troping standards.
I think this is closer to Alternative Character Interpretation than Broken Base, which already has an entry, though barebones and without spoiler tags.
Fandom-Specific Plot and Jerks Are Worse Than Villains examples have the same issue.
Edited by Amonimus TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
It's very heavily implied that it's Monty (especially thanks to the reveals in the new DLC), but yeah there are theories out there to suggest that Monty was framed or that the situation was more complicated than it seems. As always with FNAF nothing is 100% set in stone.
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It's gotten to the character page too. The only thing that is definitely false is that we know when Bonnie died and if it was before or after being hacked, so IDK what to do. At least I'm going to remove anything that says we know when Bonnie died in relation to the virus (we don't). What should be done for this?
Edited by CatcherInTheWry
I would say it is fine to list it as the most likely possibility. Because it is. It is the thing that is suggested the most and it is generally the consensus from what I have seen. Though there are still theories on the idea something else happened that are a bit plausible as well.
I will say, Bonnie did die before the virus came. Tales from the pizzaplex shows he is already gone by The Storyteller. The earliest time we know of where the virus was at the pizzaplex.
Edited by Snoketrope The First man
But we don't use possibilities as examples.
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Possibility may be the wrong way to say it. With FNAF we sort of need to go with 'the most likely option' and such for a lot of things.
With this situation it is a case where all the hints and narrative clues point towards him killing Bonnie. There are definetly some theories out there suggesting otherwise, but the strongest implication is this.
The First man
I think this thread
can handle it, but I'll leave this on a note that Speculative Troping does not allow "most likely option" also, bringing up this and this query for reference.
With FNAF it was agreed on that thread that, given the nature of the franchise we have to go with things that are more heavily implied then outright said at times. We made a bit of a tier list for how to trope believed or implied things.
EDIT:Looking over those forums I do not see a connection there either. As the issue raised was how it was not really implied by the story and was more 'this would be cool'.
Edited by Snoketrope The First man
We never did resolve this, did we? I want to point out that the evidance you listed, Snoketrope, Tales and stuff, isn't so cut and dry - there's another side to it. Regarding The Storyteller, it comes from a series where the canonicity is a MAJOR Broken Base currently. The marketing department, when contacted, said it still applied, but again...this is the marketing department, not Word of God. As for Tales canonicity, to put it at best, it's currently a major Broken Base in the fandom right now. Both sides have their own cases:
- On one hand, the main antagonist of Tales Did show up in the most recent games installment, the summaries used to say that they were "set in the world of the newest games" and the marketing department for the series, when contacted, said it still applies.
- On the other hand, Different incarnations of a character showing up in different continuities isn't unheard of, several fans have found several continuity problems with the series being set in the games, and the "it still applies" bit was this was only said by the marketing department as opposed to the people who actually work on the stories, and whose knowledge of the lore is unknown.
- Likewise with the Monty case: there's room to argue Monty did it, but there's also some compelling evidance saying that could be a red herring - in particular Monty supposedly desiring the spotlight but also frequently missing main shows in favor of being by himself.
We should take it to the cleanup, yeah.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
In the FNAF Security Breach page YMMV page.
OK, for the people who aren't familiar with FNAF: This isn't nearly so cut and dry as the entry makes it out to be. It is an Ambiguous Situation. On one hand Bonnie was last seen heading towards Monty's residence, but nothing from Monty himself hints he is particularly ambitious or hungry for fame and attention. In game Monty is hinted to be The Aloner who often misses out on main shows in favor of being by himself, and it's explicitly laid out that he did not possess the murder weapon (special, very sharp claw-upgrades) for Bonnie at the time Bonnie died. The idea that he's planning to kill Freddy comes from a scene in a Game Within A Game which is strongly implied to have been hacked by the main antagonist anyway (most if not all such games are), not being an easter egg but explicitly an actual level, making it less likely to be a look in Monty's mind. The fan base is pretty much split down the middle about whether or not he did it. While Monty is a (Brain Washed And Crazy) antagonist and he certainly has flaws, this particular thing is unclear. Also we don't know when Monty and the others become Brainwashed and Crazy, he COULD have easily been in such a state when Bonnie died. So yes, people do feel sorry for Monty, especially since there really is a case to be made for his innocence regarding Bonnie. I have no doubt Monty gets genuine DILP in some form as all FNAF antagonists do, but there is a case to make for Monty being innocent and many people (myself included) do. But since I am trying my best to be fair and impartial and I don't want to start an edit war, I need some advice on how to handle this. Should I move this text to Broken Base and modify it?
Edited by CatcherInTheWry