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I think the example is fine. Nothing state that the person who makes a "The Reason You Suck" Speech has to be a good person.
I agree with jOSEF.
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I'd go so far as to say that the person giving the speech doesn't even have to be right. They could be wrong and a potential subversion would be where the victim turns the conversation around and points out how the person degrading them is responsible for the very traits that they despise.
v I rather dispute the idea that I "know best". I'm wrong fairly often, after all. My opinion shouldn't be given equal weight to when I am citing policy decisions.
Edited by crazysamaritan Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Well as I always say the mods know best so I think you got enough consensus to put it back. But do link here and explain why they are wrong though.
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It does seem to come from the misunderstanding of the trope as "character says an awesome speech about another character I hate", hence this feeling that the character making the speech has to be "right".
That's true.
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On December 18th, 2022, I added a "The Reason You Suck" Speech entry for the Rick and Morty episode "Ricktional Mortpoons Rickmas Mortcation".
- "The Reason You Suck" Speech: When Rick tries to leave after making the driller once Morty makes clear he doesn't want Rick coming with him to get the Lightsaber, Morty gets pissed at the idea Rick is acting like Morty betrayed him and not the other way around. Rick, thoroughly done with listening to Morty and wanting to just go back to hunting down Rick Prime, delivers a quick but succinct tear down of Morty, both for the events of the last episode, and his general treatment of Rick overall the last few seasons, with Morty treating him like shit despite Rick bothering to open up to him. Morty himself can only wince and look upset while he's listening up until Curtis reassures him he won't kill his family.
Rick: You wanna know why I replaced myself in the beginning of that stupid Knights of the Sun thing? I said don't take the fucking sword and you were like "whatever" like I'm our neighbor Gene or David Arquette or something. You called me boring. I've become dog shit to you. That's what happens when you let people in and they stop respecting you, they touch your shit, they screw things up, they kill your fucking family. Go ahead. Trust [Curtis]. You're going to learn the same fucking thing.
On December 20th, 2022, however, Mantyf removed the entry, with this as their edit reason:- 1. It's not presented as the way the edit reason states, namely since Rick had been keeping Morty out of his hunt for Rick Prime rather than forcing him to help, and Morty was acting like Rick was entirely at fault for not being honest. While an argument can be made for Unintentionally Unsympathetic, the fact of the matter is that it's not presented in the manner the edit reason suggests.
- 2. "The Reason You Suck" Speech is not a YMMV trope, meaning even if Mantyf does not see it as a speech but more a rant from an abuser, the trope itself is what matters. So if the entry is an actual case of "The Reason You Suck" Speech as presented in the show itself, removing it based on an interpretation feels like a mistake.
Rather than simply re-add it to the recap page which would incite an Edit War, and as I'm not sure whether or not there is a Clean Up page for "The Reason You Suck" Speech examples, I figured it best to bring the matter to ATT. I should also note that this is not an isolated incident from Mantyf, as another recap page, for the episode "Analyze Piss", saw them add two entries that feel like agenda based editing, namely adding tropes that cast Rick in an even worse light than he already is while exonerating those against Rick, Morty in the former episode and Jerry in the latter, even when the narrative is clearly depicting them in the wrong and Rick, even if not in the right, as the actual case of Jerkass Has a Point. Edited by RebelFalcon