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Garcon: Looks like the bullpup AK you found really is a Zenit conversion kit.

Sweet, I suspected it might just be a kit.

The USMC is starting to move forward with the next part to possibly acquire the M27 as the new infantry rifle.

Some things to note. They are opening up a request for companies interested in supplying the rifle, current acquisition numbers are about 11,000 for infantry only due to cost. That could change if the cost per rifle goes down.

What this means is that if HK wants that filthy lucre they may have to be more willing to license the weapons to other manufacturers or they could possibly lose out to a competitor making a weapon that is basically the same but cheaper.

Looks like a job for the FN Herstal.

^^ Which is funny because HK 433 is basically HK 416/M27 but cheaper and with some improvements.

Mostly a stock that actually folds instead of awkwardness owing to AR buffer tube, G3 style charging handle and some other things.

Of course given how they are all but blatantly ripping off the MSBS, ACR and SCAR....

Tom: How much is the HK 433? The current M 27 is about 3 K per rifle but it is also suffering a little bit from still generally small production runs.

The USMC also has a requirement for all the rail mounted kit being compatible.

edited 18th Feb '17 2:33:47 PM by TuefelHundenIV

And I doubt the USMC will go so far off the reservation to get a rifle so unlike the M-16/M-4 platform. With the M-27, it's a hard sell but they can point out that the training and manual of arms do not need any major changes.

Some speculate that the Corps may be trying to break from the M-249. The 249 is heavy and never really replaced the BAR or M-60.

I mean, you could have replaced the BAR with a smoothbore black powder musket and it would probably have been an improvement.

Oh come on, the BAR wasn't as bad as all that. Sure it wasn't perfect, but its detractors would have you believe that a wooden club would be a better combat weapon, which simply isn't true. It was certainly better than the Chauchat, and even that wasn't quite as horribly terribly awful as it's been made out to be...

edited 24th Feb '17 6:31:52 AM by pwiegle

Taira: The odd thing about that is that the USMC keeps and still actively deploys the M-249 alongside the M-27 and have showed more interest in LSAT for actually possibly replacing the SAW. The downside is the USMC was backing the caseless option rather than the CTA stuff. The Caseless seems to have foundered on the problem of propellant block fragility and exposure. They solved cook off and propellant issues and shape issues, and even the dual stage ignition is working. Those other issues though seem to have stopped it cold. Some are suggesting a hybrid approach where a combustible CTA style case is used but that has other issues such as increased fouling and reduction in propellant mass.

The interest in the M 27 as a replacement goes back years and Tam more or less called it first for our site. Especially given how it was being deployed. The US Marines are also serious about a DMR version because of persistent and consistent reports of 800m point target shots with 5.56mm ammo.

On the M-27, yeah, I did call it, didn't I? Thanks Tuff! Somewhere near the first 150 pages or so of this thread in fact. We'll have to see how far down the rabbit hole the Corps manages to get away with before the Do D catches on to what they're up to.

I'm not sure how much the 433 is but the story goes is that it was made because the Germans wanted to replacement their stock of useless G36s with 416s but they were too expensive.

Who knows. This is the first serious effort by the Corps in a while to move even partly away from the M-16.

No price details yet but my guess says less than 3K but more than 1K. Because HK 416 is too expensive for Bundeswehr but 433 is cheap enough to be considered.

It's no AK or M16 in the price department probably.

Forgotten Weapons on the Walther WA2000.

From The Firearm Blog: Your chance to win a Gen 4 Glock 19. A Daniel Defense M4v11 will be awarded to the entrant with most social media referrals as well.

Can I trade it in for a Ruger or a Sig?

I don't doubt the memetic reliability of Glocks, I just think they're distastefully ugly. If I'm gonna own something worth a grand or more, it's gonna please my sense of aesthetics.

So get some decorative studs to go with it

Glocks make me sad. And the trigger safety really creeps me out.

Glue a few spikes on it, paint it red and make orky noises.

For some reason I just pictured a couple of well dressed guys who carry the gun around in its case for me.

If you don't want it, I'll take it.

I'd take it. I'm not even a big gun person.

Nothing wrong with my G19. I am not the biggest fan of the Gen 4 stippling, but nothing some Talon grips didn't fix up. Also some night sights.

Always goes bang and shoots well enough. It is not the gun I carry with my permit anymore, but I would still not get rid of it.

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In today's stuff, we got some really good shit.

Interview With Kori Phillips, Program Officer For LSAT And CTSAS. Part 1

Part 2.

Part 3.

We got what looks like actual innovation here. Big Army better not squander this.