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Skipped the funniest story. Apparently some hick cops in the States can't tell the difference between methamphetamine, or ice, and donut icing. Or at least their Safariland field test kits can't.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/10/25/safariland-sued-doughnut-icing-tests-positive-meth/

"When police pulled Dan Rushing over for speeding, they found a small piece of icing on the floor of his car during a search. The little piece of icing wasn’t even large enough to cover a pinky nail, officers then used a Safariland field test to determine if it was meth or not. According to an article by WFTV 9, the icing tested positive as meth not once, but twice."

Oops. Later lab testing confirmed that it was donut icing after all. No wonder the poor schlub is suing the company behind the tests.

Anyone Want A Lee-Enfield No. 4? The Canadian Rangers Have Some For Sale.

I'll pass. The Lee-Enfield family's a fine line of guns but they're too expensive to be anything other than safe queens. .303 British ammo is scarce, replacement parts and/or replacement rifles are even scarcer.

Plus if I want to grab some old bolt guns from the World Wars, I'm grabbing more Mosins and some American Springfields if I can.

Oh good. Canadian Rangers' rifles up for sale? If they weren't so expensive to feed, I'd very much like one.

Not sure if want, to be honest. They're .303 British rather than 7.62mm NATO, so the ammunition's expensive, and hard to find. And that's leaving aside the fact I don't have a Section 1 firearms license and I live in the sort of area where getting to the point of actually having one is only after a long drawn out process of getting screwed around by the fuzz - and I'd stand out quite a lot against the vast numbers of folks near me who seem to have access to illegal handguns, automatic rifles and fucking Uzi submachine guns.

Say what.

Well, shoot. If you guys don't want 'em, I'll take 'em.

The old stashes of actual military surplus .303 British might all be gone, but you can still get El Cheapo blasting ammo for about 50 cents a pop...

edited 27th Oct '16 4:03:14 PM by pwiegle

It's Uzis near you? Weird.

It's usually MAC-11 knockoffs near me.

It's various homebrew or bric-a-brac stuff you get from the black market in Juarez near me.

Stuff you wouldn't necessarily trust because the condition of them is usually poor. As in old MAC-10s and Uzis that have fired enough rounds to completely burn out the rifling, parts that rattle or barely hold together and runaway guns are common.

Strangely, they seem to be affiliated solely with the Hispanic gangs that have ties to the cartels in Mexico. Everyone else seems to use cheapie cheap throwaway pistols and shotguns.

No shit. The street next to mine once had to be sealed off by the cops when they found a straight up Uzi submachine gun plus ammo in the back of a taxi. I heard it wasn't so much boys in blue as boys with brown fucking trousers when they realized it wasn't a replica.

And that's the one the cops "found". Who knows what's out there they haven't got hold of. I used to know the going rate for an AK 47 in the illegal market round Glasgow way, but that was a while ago.

Even with the cartel elements out here hand guns and shotguns are the preferred weapons with the occasional rifle. Automatics even black market ones are unheard of outside of passing through. Omaha, NE is apparently a big segment on the black market pipeline for some odd reason.

Most of the automatics here are homebrewed kinda dealies. Knockoff MAC-11s that've been toyed with and so on. Not super duper common. It's still cheap handguns for the most part. Most of the "serious" guns are really just more toys for people to play with in their backyard.

I do know a lot of police inventory and so on ends up smuggled outta here though.

That's pretty much THE single largest category of stolen firearms in Colorado. Police weapons.

Oh, mine just sell them to the Klan and Oath Keepers directly. None of this theft nonsense.

BREAKING: New Norinco NAR-556 And NAR-751 Modern Assault/Battle Automatic Rifles.

It seems the Galil ACE and AK-12 families have some competition. Time for new generation rifles?

Depends on if they can attract market share. The modern assault rifle market isn't flourishing—there are just too many perfectly serviceable older weapons still lying around, and the marginal improvement of a fancy recoil-mitigation system just isn't worth the extra cost.

Do they come in black, or any colors other than that sickly-looking tan that reminds me of puke?

They look really... cheap and generic. Like the offbrand cereal boxes but in gun form.

• Good luck trying to get into a saturated market that doesn't allows Chinese Imports for weapons.
• Good luck with trying to sell it to anyone outside some agencies in China because everywhere else already has contracts with national or international weapons manufacturers.
• Good luck with trying to sell it to any other nation standing military when no one is really looking for a replacement rifle.
• Good luck trying to convince everyone else that your gun isn't going to be made of cheap parts with poor quality control.

Not even the ACR and the SCAR had much for a demand in the civilian and law enforcement markets, I don't see exactly where they are going to sell that thing without some heavy bribery.

That NAR-10 looks like a tacticool'ed PSL.

edited 1st Nov '16 3:05:59 PM by AngelusNox

Those rifles could make inroads in Africa - considering much of it below the Sahara is a Chinese colony in all but name - considering they build the roads, bridges, schools, hospitals and so on. And compared to a fifty year old AKM, they don't look all that bad to be honest.

^ That's the thing, (and why rifles like the Galil ACE series are apparently taking off like wildfire). Much of the world is awash in 40, 50, 60+ year old FAL's, AK's and M16s and new relatively inexpensive rifles with all the modern bobs and bibs instead of price-gouged high-end yet disappointing in performance on a price value basis are more attractive. The old standbys of M16, AKM and FAL are fading away and out of production and service both doctrinally and technologically. People just aren't making them like they used to.

Look at the high end guns like the HK-416. Expensive as fuck and the practical performance difference between it and say a Galil ACE in 5.56mm is probably not big enough to be a selling point. Especially to a nation that won't have First World purchasing power. Selling 5,000 uber-expensive rifles to New Zealand may seem easy as fuck but selling 50,000 inexpensive yet modernized rifles to Sudan or Zimbabwe or Angola or Colombia is even easier.

Just pray you don't end up with a situation like is going on in India. That one is proving to be serious lulz.

The Ukrainians use the Galil ACE (well, they call it the Fort blah blah blah)? Cool.

Tom: None of those three rifles are fading away and all three are in production in large quantities as well as widespread use. The only one that might have a smaller production base is the FAL. Both the AKM and the M-16 have quite a few manufacturers outside of the original government that are still going quite strong and both weapons are extensively used. Even the FAL's are still pretty popular despite being larger and heavier weapons. Also FN USA makes some of the M-16's and M-4's for the US military. So no they aren't fading away at all.

edited 1st Nov '16 6:29:47 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Add to that the fact that an AK with a milled receiver has an expected service life of 40 years, while one with a stamped receiver has an expected service life of 20 years. That's two to four decades of active service per individual weapon, not counting time spent slathered in cosmoline and packed away in a warehouse somewhere...

Rifles aren't like air defense or fighter aircraft, where a new generation comes along on a regular basis and a small advantage can be decisive. The difference between an older assault rifle and a new one is very marginal in comparison, especially en masse. They are not weapons to be replaced the moment a new generation comes along, especially when incremental upgrades are a very cheap option.

Yeah they are. Early generation M16's are going away being replaced by subsequent generations such as the A2 for cheapie cheap shits or the A4 for those with more than two cents in their pockets or other AR-derivatives such as the M4 or 416. Nobody's buying brand new M16A1's these days. The FAL is falling out of favor in many ways despite a stellar combat record, mostly on account of it's stuck with 1950s accessories and being pig heavy compared to say a SCAR-H or HK-417 or that Galil ACE in 7.62x51. Earlier generation AK's are moving to more modern versions. Especially stuff like AK-103 taking over for AKM and Type 81 taking over for Type 56. (The latter is increasingly common in parts of South and East Asia.)

That's where this new rifle family from Norinco appears to come in. The Chinese have a lot of contacts with various militaries in Africa and South America and they could sell this sort of stuff to replace those M16's, FAL's and AK's that are wearing out or otherwise showing their age. And if these are more budget oriented weapons rather than overpriced HK crap, they may find great success.