I wonder if GI Joe can be part of this. They were originally Marvel, after all, which is now Disney...
Or possibly Star Wars... Princess of Heart Jaina Solo?
I think Disney declared all Expanded Universe stuff is considered non-canon?
Wait... Tifa got stabbed? I remember her getting slashed by Sephiroth.
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Sephs cut Tifa open at Nibelheim, he didn't impale her.
He did stab Cloud, though, not that it did Seph any good.
....although if Tifa in OM's fic did get Aerith's canonical Killed Off for Real scene, then now I'm wondering about the context around the situation, given that Aerith had run off into the Disc-One Final Dungeon in order to pray for the White Materia to awaken...
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Perhaps Tifa noticed her absence sooner than in canon and ran after her, and when Sephiroth attempted to kill Aerith she performed a Heroic Sacrifice that delayed him long enough for the rest of the party to arrive and fend him off.
... Then again, Aerith only said that Tifa was stabbed, which leaves the possibility of her surviving simply because she, as a physically-oriented fighter who already had a brush with death at the hands of the same person, is Made of Iron.
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Point taken. Tifa is a total badass, after all.
Isn't Evangeline a fan of Final Fantasy VII in URAE? Also, isn't Disney fictional in URAE?
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If so, then I'm surprised that relevant perspective characters don't seem to be metagaming as much as I'd expect...
I started a trope page for The Keys of the Kingdom.
Edit: Just checking, but Chibi-Usa unthinkingly revealing Mamoru's identity to Minako is what caused her to be RetGone'd, right?
edited 13th Oct '15 12:53:46 AM by Hyp3rB14d3
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A few snippets ago, the Wonderland party pointed out that some of them, those of them not named Asuna anyway, had already read Alice in Wonderland.
So yes, it is fictional in their world. But just because it's fictional in one world doesn't prevent it from being real in another.
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I don't think Unit's issue is one involving the concept of Comic Books Are Real; I think it's about why those characters who read the story aren't using said knowledge to "metagame", as Unit put it.
edited 13th Oct '15 3:24:00 AM by MarqFJA
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Learn to look at more than just a post and the one directly above it, Marq. chiufan95 asked if Disney is fictional in the URAE universe, and I pointed out that even if it was it doesn't make any difference because Alice in Wonderland was clearly stated to be fictional by the very people in Wonderland right now.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
I would suggest to OM we use the ye olde DC explanation with worlds vibrating at different frequencies and writers having dreams about what happens in other worlds and being talented enough to use that as the basis of comic books.
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Funny that you should say that, because I already did before I made that post, and nothing in chiufan's post implies that s/he's questioning how the Disney setting can be fictional for the Negimaverse yet also be real as an alternate universe.
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Marq, this conversation is making my brain attempt to eat itself. Thought you should know.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
I think it's about why those characters who read the story aren't using said knowledge to "metagame"
Skuld did use knowledge of Wonderland and its brand of logics during the trial. The thing is, Wonderland is such a chaotic place even knowing the 'rules' doesn't make one much good, because the 'rules' are always changing and the world's inhabitants keep breaking them anyway. Plus, like Negi noted, the original story ended up with Alice waking up, and that doesn't seem an option for her. Even assuming she's a dream self of herself, how do you wake up someone who is... that?
The original stories do exist in the URAE-verse, by the way. But the Disney takes don't. Which is dangerous in its own way since, for instance, Negi would go into the Deep Jungle assuming Clayton is an actually alright fellow.
And yes, either Tifa is dead or Aerith at least assumes she is.
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... The Disney adaptations don't exist in the Negimaverse? But... But that should have a noticeable effect on worldwide culture, wouldn't it?
Ugh, this is the problem with crossovers involving internationally very famous and influential works and franchises — especially ones with a long history behind them — if the base setting is identical to the real world (history and all) barring specific exceptions: Remove the famous works from the real world-based setting, and you'll have the gaping Fridge Logic hole of determining the impact this would have on the world; and handwaving the issue with serials-filed-off substitutes is an awkward "solution" at best.
edited 13th Oct '15 5:53:52 AM by MarqFJA
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We could go the Darths And Droids solution: every 50 posts, we posit a world where everything is the same but our source material is non-existent and exists only as a Homebrew RPG setting…
But apparently, Jotaro does. The cameo just hit me when I was thumbing through volume 15.
edited 13th Oct '15 9:02:24 AM by SkormSnow-Strider
As far as 'nails' for the purposes of the lives of Japan-based characters go, in a setting that is already that apart from ours (magic itself would be a much bigger nail, and yet the Negimaverse as it is doesn't difer much from our world until post-series), I think 'these guys didn't have Walt Disney's Snow White but Clark Crandall's Snow White' should rank rather low in terms of life alterations.
Thanks for the Tropes page, by the way!
A pair of large green eyes under a mop of bright red hair with two small side-tails peeked over the top step of the stairs. “Do you think it’s safe?”
“Come to think about it, no, I don’t think so,” her father said. “On second thought, you’d better—“
“Coming up!” the duck child above cheerfully slid down the handle of the stairs, pretty much surfing on it by sliding with her blue sneakers. Then she jumped off at the bottom of the stairs, spun in the air, and landed on her feet before the visitors, spreading her arms in triumph. “Good evening, weirdly awesome people!” There was a beat. “Wow, you even have your head on backwards! Cool beans!”
“Do I?” Dogpool asked, then twisted his costume’s head back to its correct position. “Thanks for noticing! Since, you know, none of my alleged friends were telling me. I was growing worried I was losing my eyesight… again…”
“We aren’t your friends,” Kotaro murmured.
The male duck rasped uneasily. “People who are just about to leave, this is my daughter, Gosalyn Mallard. Gosalyn, they are… I don’t think I’ve been given your names yet, actually…”
Nodoka beat everyone else to the punch. “It’s a great pleasure, Gosalyn-chan! I’m Nodokat Nyanzaki, and these are Yue Myayase, Kotaro Inugami, Rin Dogsaka, Mickey Mouse, and Paul J. Dogpool-san!”
“Rin Dogsaka?!” Rin cried.
“… what kind of names are those?” Gosalyn asked. She was even shorter than Drake, and other than the sneakers, she only seemed to wear a long hockey team shirt with a huge ‘1’ on the chest, leaving her feather-covered bottom pantsless.
“Couldn’t we get into problems with Chris Hansen over this?” Dogpool asked, looking randomly aside.
“I have no idea, Gosalyn, they are friends of Launchpad,” her father placed his hands on her shoulders and shook his head. “And they were just about to visit him, so if you’ll excuse us…” he began pushing her back towards the stairs not so discreetly.
“Did I hear them asking about Darkwing Duck? Because I could swear I heard them talking about Darkwing Duck,” she said as she was not so subtly pushed.
“You can’t swear! And don’t be silly, why would they be talking about Darkwing Duck?” her father asked, a vein bulging on his head. “Who talks about Darkwing Duck anymore? Now be a good child and tell goodbye to the nice ladies and gentlemen…”
“Goodbye, nice ladies and gentlemen!” Gosalyn waved as she was pushed all the way up the stairs, then into her bedroom. Drake closed the door, rested against it for a moment of sweating and seething, and then calmly headed downstairs. “Now, I have done my best to forget about Launchpad’s new address, but I think I have written it down somew—WAUGH!”
Gosalyn now sat before the visitors, swinging her legs back and forth. “You’ll have to excuse him, he’s not much of a people’s person. Although he’s nowhere as bad as he used to be, believe me…”
“That was a neat trick,” Kotaro said, sincerely impressed. “How did you learn it?”
“Oh, I learned it from Darkwing Duck! He and Launchpad used to be really close. It’s a shame they had to be dumb enough as to—“
“Gosalyn!” her father said.
“Dad, go for some snacks for these guys, will you?” she casually asked him. “Night’s still young, I’m sure the ‘bots won’t be knocking for another hour or so…”
“But they are just leaving!” Drake repeated.
“I’m in no real hurry, to be frank,” Dogpool said, legs crossed and arms slung over the couch’s back. “And the kid’s right, you’re the worst host ever. Not even offering us dog snacks? For shame! What kind of cheapskate hero and protector of the defenseless are you?”
“I’m no hero; I’m just a completely average Developments employee! And I have no business with any sort of ragtag misfits looking for Darkwing Duck, or Darkwing Duck’s sidekick, or Darkwing Duck’s foes, none at all!” He searched all around the place, eventually pulled a small notebook from under the bust of a certain Great Mouse Detective, wrote something on a sheet at full speed, ripped the sheet off, and slammed it on Rin’s hands. “There’s your address! Now please leave this perfectly normal, law-abiding home and stop trying to pull our perfectly normal-law abiding lives into chaos!”
“… very well, if you say so,” Yue nodded. “Thanks for your cooperation anyway, we promise we won’t ever tell anyone you were Darkwing Duck…”
“I was not!”
“You know, man, or duck, I actually have some experience with this whole superhero business,” Dogpool patiently began. “I mean, I’m no superhero myself, despite having had more magazines than most heroes (I’m still waiting for Savage Sword of Dogpool, anyway), but I’ve spent long enough around heroes to know they never can retire for long, and if they do, they just come back in prestige format miniseries written by Frank Miller to clean the old town up and beat up on the whores whores whores infesting the—“
A second later, the whole lot of the visitors were sitting on the front sidewalk. “Wow, he’s almost as good as the kid,” Kotaro marveled.
“Now, let’s not exaggerate,” Mickey replied.
Rin was busy drawing Command Seals on the back of her hand with a red marker. “Maybe I still can force him to come along! There must be some residual link between us yet…!”
“Master Clow never warned me there would be days like this…” Kero said.
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The future of warfare in UC.
Separate continuity, more like.
Nous restons ici.
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I think he meant "canon" as in the Disney Animated Canon, which is not synonymous with every animated feature released by the Disney company (or indeed merely owned by Disney), though it's also admitted that there seem to be no hard and fast rules to fall back upon.
edited 13th Oct '15 12:19:46 PM by MarqFJA
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Nah, even then there would be major changes. Mages are supposed to help mankind, and there are thousands of mages across the world (apparently). Even if people aren't well aware of the changes, the changes would still exist, especially for the manga's audience, which IS aware of what's happening behind the masquerade.
“So it wasn’t his real head what got twisted backwards, huh?” a voice asked. “I could tell, but I still held to some hopes. Bummer! It’d have been real neat otherwise!”
They all looked back to see Gosalyn Mallard standing on the sidewalk, just a few steps away. “Yo,” she waved a hand up. “It’s been a while!”
“Did your father have a change a heart?” Rin asked, sounding oddly hopeful.
“Yeah, he changed his heart to send me to my room and lock the door instead of… just sending me to my room,” the duck girl shrugged. “So I went over to the window. But he had locked it too. So I had to pick it open,” she said this briefly toying with a Swiss army knife, “And now I’m here. Nifty, huh? Life with Dad is a constant duel of wits.”
“I’m sure he just wants you out of harm’s way,” Mickey said. “And I’m afraid we didn’t leave a very good first impression.”
“You kidding, right?” she asked. “I can tell you’re a really swell bunch! Wanna me to get you over to Launchpad’s? I can get the word for you, and I really have missed ‘im a lot since… well, that doesn’t matter now, but I might just tell you if you—“
“Thanks, but no,” Mickey said. “We’re going to do things that could be very dangerous, and we aren’t gonna betray your father’s loving designs on you that way.”
“Aw, c’mon!” Gosalyn said. “I promise I’ll only go with you to Launchpad’s and then get back before Dad even learns I’m out!”
“Still too dangerous for children,” Mickey insisted.
“They’re hardly any older than me!” she pointed at Nodokat and Yue.
“Actually, we only happen to be somewhat curvedly challenged,” Yue offered.
“Proud of it, however,” Nodokat felt like adding.
“So you want me to be a good girl, then,” Gosalyn said.
“Exactly!” Mickey smiled and nodded.
“Good girls should always obey the rules and make their fathers proud,” Rin solemnly said, gazing up at the sky, where Tokiomi’s face was smiling down at her between the stars. Which was strange, considering it was Tohsaka Tokiomi and he was smiling. Then he waved at Rin and went away to join Mufasa’s face in the clouds. Rin blinked in confusion.
“Okay then. Glad we settled that out,” Gosalyn pulled a cellphone out and began marking a number.
“Hmmmm… who are you calling now?” Rin asked.
“Why, the local Quackwerks Department of Public Security, of course,” Gosalyn absently answered, not even deigning her with a gaze. “They taught us at private school, all good young citizens are to call Quackwerks in the event we run into cool weirdos talking weird crap about row row, fighting the power. You have all your papers ready and up to date, don’tcha?”
A smile curved itself under Dogpool’s mask. “I really like this girl a lot!”
Mickey sighed. “And then they ask me why Minnie an’ me haven’t had any children yet!”
Oh, I'm well aware that she isn't dead in Kingdom Hearts. I meant in The Keys of the Kingdom. And I'm still convinced that she is dead in the latter. The joke doesn't make much sense otherwise.