Jojo's Bizarre Adventure

I mean, his name is Speedwagon.

Earlier this week I stopped and tried to logic out what exactly King Crimson does, beyond "it just works".

I finally found this part of the OST in a standalone video. Best part of the soundtrack.

edited 20th Apr '14 8:08:26 AM by wanderlustwarrior

Time stops just long enough to let Speedwagon do his Jerry The King Lawler thing.

The part V character page has a decent summation of his powers, apparently based on his own comments.

The essence is this: You have King Crimson, and you have Epitaph.

When King Crimson is used, time is "erased". Judging by the cubist imagery and Diavolo's going on about choosing his destiny/seeing all possibilities, what he erases is the very concept of time. All actions are compressed down to a single point in time and thus occur simultaneously (which is why everything looks like an unmoving time-lapse photo, and why Diavolo gets surprised when someone actually moves while its happening). People caught within this power notice nothing different while this is happening, but Diavolo exists outside of this effect (he says a couple of times that time is erased for everyone but him).

Epitaph allows Diavolo to see 10 seconds into the future. Because King Crimson has compressed time down to a singular point, this seems to make Epitaph more effective; not only does Diavolo see the future, he sees all possible futures, simultaneously. Using his greater freedom to act, Diavolo can pick and choose whichever 10-second sequence of events he wishes to follow (thus, controlling fate).

At the end of the time-"skip", everything goes back to normal. The "cause" (the time-collapsed state during which all possible actions occurred simultaneously, presumably a take on quantum mechanics, quantum superpositioning, wave functions, wave function collapse, etc.) is erased, and no one retains any memories of what happened except for Diavolo. But the "effect" that Diavolo chose (the sequence of events he chose to follow using Epitaph) remains.

TL;DR

• KC erasing time=all time compressed to a single point=all actions occur simultaneously
• (cf. cubism, quantum mechanics)
• In this state, Epitaph allows Diavolo to see all possible actions he can take.
• Diavolo takes whichever action is best.
• Time goes back to normal
• No one remembers anything b/c time was 2 scary 4 memory formation.
• Diavolo trollfaces

I think the explanation is elegant and pretty intuitive. I don't know offhand if there are any major holes in it.

edited 20th Apr '14 10:41:24 AM by illegalcheese

Just werks

The bit that I've never seen convincing explanation for is how the range restriction is meaningfull. Like, there are several points where the character are being very careful to stay out of his range, but also several times where they're nowhere near him and experiencing the time-skipping.

Oh- and there's some nutty nonsense going on in the first encounter with him, with other people seeing the future visions and stuff.

I assumed the range could be arbitrarily amplified based on will-power/state-of-mind. Diavolo at one point mentions that KC's power is weakened due to blood loss, so the effectiveness isn't necessarily consistent.

The biggest problem is that King Crimson's power is quite the possibly the worst thing in the world to use a comic-book to portray (without resorting to diagrams and stuff).

See, I don't see how it's possible for a power like to become weaker or stronger- unless we're talking about stuff like whether or not he can use it repeatedly or whatnot. How could a range restrict possibly be meaningful if your power is 'skip ten seconds'?

I think by range they mean the Range that King Crimson can move away from Diavolo. (Which along with King Crimson's durability is garbage.) The problem is that if you far enough away that it would take him 10 seconds to reach you you are screwed.

I explained how his power worked earlier in the thread. And if you find my explanation it's pretty easy to understand.

As for the vision of himself that Bruno saw. That is the same as Johnny getting shot by 3 different people at the same time while the kids saw a different person do it.

King Crimson? More like String Crimson!

As for Speedwagon's talking is a free action, the reason is quit simple really, he has a reverse King Crimson, he is able to "create time" but at the end of it actions will progress as if there was no time difference, after his death, the stand finds new hosts.

IIRC this part about erasing the very concept of time is not how it just works. Diavolo's dialogue clearly says that he erases an specific amount of time rather than time itself, as he says "jikan wo kessatta" instead of "toki wo kesatta". On the moment Diavolo activates KC, everything changes to the position they would be in the next 10 seconds, without the physical consequences of what happened in the skipped time taking effect. On the instant this happened, the two points of time overlay and that's how Buccelatti punched himself.

As for Epitaph, it cannot see all possibilities. It sees only thepossibility that will take place if nothing changes, as noticed when Doppio saw his leg getting ripped whit a pair of scissors, then he put his frog-phone in front of him and his vision changed to the frog getting Metallica'd instead of him.

The "getting weaker from the blood loss" refers to the amount of time he can skip and the "leaving his range" means going somewhere the boss can't reach within 10 seconds, IIRC.

So then what does that make Stone Free?

It feels weird to say this...but I think I understand King Crimson now. Thank you, guy who posted that explanation.

Which one?

Comun has the correct one so hopefully you are talking about his.

The best way to understand King Crimson is to skip time past the explanation.

That explanation makes for some weird (retro)causality stuff, in a way.

Finally made it to the second part of the 2012 anime.

I just love how in 50 years Erina went from "KYAH ! *Faints*" to "Joseph, beat that racist sack of shit up, please."

Erina always seemed to have bite to her though. Remember her "Rinsing my mouth with mud would be cleaner than kissing you, Dio!" moment?

IT WAS I, DIO!

Why do some people not underSTAND Jo Jo?

Erina may be a gentle-ish woman but she can be pretty hard. She told Speedwagon to more or less piss off and come back tomorrow when he tried to visit Jonathan in hospital and Speedwagon was like "Wow she was so cold!"

I can kinda see her encouraging Joseph to beat up a racist prick without causing too much of a fuss.

What I don't understand is why Jo Jo redirects to that two-bit singer few tropers care about, as opposed to the longest-running manga in history.

Because that is her actual performing name whereas we don't prefer abbreviations for works, and get over your personal preferences.

@thewaspinator

Rubber Soul: "DO YOU UNDERSTAND!"

edited 21st Apr '14 2:48:29 PM by Saya1