The Pokédex - Extended Fanon Edition

No one wants to do Jirachi? Maybe I could come up with something. o3o

Intelligent design is not scientific as it isn't falsifiable.

Mew has a very complex DNA to be the ancestor of everything. Evolution doesn't work that way.

Stop bringing up Popper's criteria, it doesn't work. It's a mind exercise for positivists, not actual law of any kind. History is unfalsifiable, for starters. Existence of anything is not really falsifiable.

Religion on the other hand can be totally falsifaible - say, prove that Jesus didn't exist and Christianity will be not true therefore.

But anyway, > implying that pokearth has science that's exactly like ours

and even then, I said I recall making a trope about settings when religion has been proven right scientifically.

and how do we know it doesn't work that way in the pokeverse? besides, it's pretty heavily suggested ingames that it's the ancestor of all pokemon.

No, it is suggested that that's what the researchers know; we know what kinds of stuff do they know if such idea reached a Pokédex entry. Also it's pretty obvious that, for at least one big part of the biodiversity in the Pokéverse, evolution does not work the way it works here, although it seems to be exactly like here for the other parts of the biodiversity.

Not that Mew can not be the ancestor of all Pokémon, but he can and could be something similar. One of the problems is, if Mew is the ancestor of all Pokémon, he shouldn't be able to Transform into Castform or Porygon, for example. As well as what kind of ("natural") evolutionary process would, and why, bring up Zigzagoon and Shinx from the same creature that should be able to transform into eg.: Groudon and Reshiram.

I had a thought once: what if Ditto are actually what hatched from eggs that Mew laid? If you look closely enough, they almost look like failed clones of Mew. It also makes sense that Ditto would be the ancestor of all Pokemon, so maybe Ditto gradually became separate species.

edited 18th Jun '11 9:13:28 AM by Kexruct

Ditto and Mew are also the only mons that can learn transform, and they're both pink normally and are blue when shiny!

That was part of my thought process.

(By the way, Smeargle can learn Transform too, I have one (not hacked) that can )

edited 18th Jun '11 9:21:00 AM by Kexruct

That's a little too -ish if you ask me. I say we keep this Mew business ambiguous.

Smeargle doesn't count! He's a damn dirty cheater!

I agree, it was just a thought. Maybe you could include it as a theory...?

edited 18th Jun '11 9:24:48 AM by Kexruct

x7: Transform is different from changing into something that evolved from the species in question. *coughDittocan'tevenbreedcough* Transform is just temporarily giving the user's body the physical characteristics of a different Pokemon or whatever, and Transform doesn't copy every aspect of a Pokemon (for example, Transformed Pokemon can't learn the moves of the target via level up). And there's no reason why Mew can't transform into Porygon/Castform; there is a reason that (aside from anime inconsistencies) the Pokemon to be transformed into has to be present.

edited 19th Jun '11 4:10:01 AM by Swampertrox

Does Transform require a genetic link to the subject? I mean, Ditto transform into rocks to sleep, and inanimate objects in the anime at least. (Manga too maybe?)

You do realize that even in canon the mew-as-ancestor isn’t even confirmed right? Chalk it up to Early Installment Weirdnes out of game and bad science in game. Mew was discovered in what the 50s/ I can see some scientists coming across that conclusion.

And even if Evolution doesn’t exits in the real world, if Pokémon are life forms (which they are) and if they die (which they do) and if they can pass down traits to there descendents (which they can) then they will as always evolve no ifs and or buts.

The reason I am talking about evolution here is that whether is it legitimate to assume that this word means both metamorphosis and gradual genetic changes of species in Pokeverse.

edited 19th Jun '11 1:05:29 PM by Aminatep

and — Both interesting points, in particular when brought together... Etimology is weird like that, and In a World… where creatures change by the most diverse means, it isn't a big stretch to assume that the word "evolution", even if thought first of as an umbrella term, wouldn't become something much deeper rooted in the language, spreading into many concepts.

Good point Li'l Lee, perhaps the term would be different but we at least know from dex articles such as Mamoswine that what we call evolution irl is applicable in the pokeworld.

Alternate Company Equivalent.

edited 19th Jun '11 5:48:31 PM by JusticeMan

It isn't early installment weirdness; the Dex has mentioned Mew as potentially being the ancestor of all pokemon in every single gen. It seems to me that ancestor Mew is still a fairly popular theory in the pokeverse.

Yeah, the only "early installment weirdness" with regards to Mew is the part where it is implied, at least in the American releases, that it "gave birth" to Mewtwo. I think there's something else about Mew, but can't recall it.

> what we call evolution irl is applicable in the pokeworld.

Possibly.

But, you know, it would be ridiculous if I wrote something like: "Evolution is a mechanism of evolution". There NEEDS to be some other word that describes origination of various species, different from the word for metamorphosis within species. What's it?

One final question: how does trade work? Is it some sort of teleportation? Why does it work on pokemon and items they hold only?

edited 20th Jun '11 4:33:34 AM by Aminatep

Mutation perhaps?

Mutation is another process entirely.

Trade evolutions can happen in the wild, but they can either take a very long time or are very rare.

Canon dex Articles state that the electromagnetic radiation from the trade stations triggers the metamorphosis. (See: Karablast)

After taking a short rest, I'm going thru some of the articles to add some specific modifications, namely linking to other Pokémon entries where appropiate, as well as add some troping.

Right now going with the G1 and G2 starters, as well as the fossils. Would welcome help in identifying the referenced RL works adequately (see the Squirtle article).

edited 22nd Jun '11 3:11:46 PM by SilentReverence