The Pokédex - Extended Fanon Edition

• applauds* Good analysis.

Dunsparce didn't stop being a thing or anything.

Just a thought, but maybe the Conkulder inviting Cement thing might be canaon.

The dex states that Timburr sqaure off the logs themselvs so there IS precedent.

For example, they could use there sensitive noses to sniff out the right ores and rocks, use there stregth to punch the materials to powder, and then mix them with natural water sources in molds they carve out of the ground. The High IQ, Big nose (which I noted you never expanded upon) and Myth as fact aspect could all flow together.

So?

Let's make a TCG!

Does the Pokedex Extended Fanon Edition accept the idea that Pokemon may be set in a world that is almost completely the same as our own, with the addition of Kanto, Johto, etc. and Pokemon? Just checking, as I'm considering mentioning the Nazca lines in conjunction with Sigilyph.

Dunsparce didn't stop being a thing or anything.

I don't think so. As far as I can tell, the only geographical places are the regions discovered. There's also a map of the Pokemon World that looks nothing like our current-day map, save for Scandinavia being rotated 90 degrees and being situated in the south.

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For most of the entries and theories the ongoing perception seems to be close to "this world is largely based on our own except where important" — with the important distinction that the "important" parts are pretty notorious and break some of the assumptions that could be made about normalcy. Some other key points are closer to "Very Loosely Based Upon a Real Story" however.

We have nothing saying the landmarks are anything close to our own (the calling by name of some places in 'Dex entries can be safely attributed to Gameplay and Story Segregation), but at the same time nothing explicitly avoiding it. If there's a Nazca-like in their world, it's similar to ours likely but its name, obviously, and the myths around it, are bound to be different.

As for continents, what ↑ said.

edited 23rd Mar '11 7:42:50 PM by SilentReverence

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Thank you!

Dunsparce didn't stop being a thing or anything.

Not sure if this has been brought up already, but should the Ralts article be expanded to include something like "It's also VERY important not to attack the trainer of a ralts or any of it's evolutionary lines. They are very protective and have been seen taking mortal wounds to ensure their trainers are okay." or something to that effect. The shout out has been done in the ghastly page, but it might be good to include it there too.

Okay, I am a bit on the high side, blame caffeine overdose, but just now I've came up with somewhat passable (in my opinion) for the different evolution methods. May I post it here before I forget about it, and, while we are at it, we get some opinions...

Anyway:

• Level up: The basic kind of evolution, Pokémon eventually grow up and change form. It has a quite heavy psychological background, so, if a Pokémon FEELS strong enough to evolve, it may evolve quite earlier that it would. In the same vein, the Pokémon can be stopped from evolving due to influence of its trainer.

• Happiness: Quite similar to the basic kind of evolution, this one is triggered by the Pokémon feeling bonded to another being; be it a parent (eg: Pichu), a mate (eg: Golbat) or, in its defect, the trainer. Again, has a huge psychological factor, even moreso that the standard evolution. Time of the day may prove to be important, in some species being due to their activity pattern, but, in Eevee, it is related to the more viable at that moment form to take.

• Beauty: Exclusive to the Pokémon Feebas, this is another variant of the standard method, again with an extensive psychological backup. In this case, however, the Pokémon has to feel beautiful, not strong or loved, to be able to evolve. This can be done by taking proper care of said aspect of the Feebas, or by coating it with Milotic scales.

• Move: The final variant of the standard method, this one involves the Pokémon mastering a certain move.

• Trade: Some Pokémon only reach their full growth after leaving the group where they grew up and joining another. This can be done in captivity with a simple trade between trainers.

• Stone: Stones contain quite large concentrations of compounds (in some cases radioactive) that would be found on concrete localizations and in trace ammounts, and that trigger a Pokémon's evolution: A Growlithe or an Eevee raised on volcanic areas (as in eating and drinking things originary of that area ONLY, for example) would eventually become an Arcanine or a Flareon, respectivelly, but usage of a stone triggers an inmediate evolution. In the process, the stone is consumed, and the Pokémon may have its growth rate altered due to the sudden transformation. The effect of the mossy and icy rocks is similar to that of these stones, only more complex and pronunciated; one can compare a Moss Rock with a Leaf Stone, and see that the latter cannot make Eevee evolve. The Dawn Stone, on the other hand, is a vital component of the lifecycle of the 2 lines it affects, due to its components acting as receptors for sexual hormones, making the sexually dimorphic evolution possible. Strong magnetic fields affect 2 lines in a manner similar to how stones work, and, on a strange note, the presence of Remoraid is needed for Mantyke to complete its evolution.

• Item: The most diverse kind of evolution, this one may combine elements of the other methods,from being simple rituals of passage (Happiny, Gligar and Sneasel being the most significant examples), but also going to simulation of exceptional conditions (Magmar and Electabuzz); with stone-esque induced growth (Poliwhirl to Politoed, Seadra...) being the most common variant. Porygon and its upgrades and patches simulate this behaviour.

Well, forgive these ramblings of a partygoer, but give 'em a look, it may even be inspiring. Or not.

Silent, could you clarify on what you mean by Grand Theories?

I always thought level evolution was just "Eat enough and train enough, and gain the nutrients needed to metamorphose." The other ones make sense though.

Dunsparce didn't stop being a thing or anything.

Of course. "Grand Theories" would be just about everything into our purview that has been discussed and is so invasive to the canon as to affect the workings of the entire "universe". They are things than encompass enough of the universe to affect several [possible] entries, not just the Poké entries themselves, and also would determine what and how do we write about Pokémon; thus we discuss them as a lot rather than leave for a sole person to "try" and solve.

Whether Poké Balls transform Pokémon into digital data or they are transformed into some other form of energy or moved to elseworld, for example, turned out to be something like that — digitalization brought in too many implications to be workable. Tied to that is what the heck are Apricorns. How evolution works ends up being another one — whatever is chosen, the triggers, thresholds and models ought to be consistent across entries. The microeconomy, if we ever decide to tackle it, will be a fun one. And the type chart, oooh yes, we've already gotten on some discussions about that.

The important thing about Grand Theories is that once we discuss them and reach a consensus, we are especially bound to them (unless further canon evidence proves we must change them of course) because they are the first things outside "our-world-like" normalcy that make that work make sense.

The chatroom has some discussions about most of these (sans Economics). I'll search and link some of the discussions later, editing this post. We should also discuss the possibility of having articles on those Theories.

edited 24th Mar '11 6:50:22 AM by SilentReverence

Fanfic Recs orwellianretcon'd: cutlocked for committee or for Google?

That... is actually quite an elegant explanation.

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?

Agreed. That is a good explanation. But some of the dex entries refer to electrical energy for trade evos. (ie Karrablast and Shelmet)

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Also, there's the problem of defining "trade". If the trigger is something as nebulous as "I'm moving from this 'home' to the next", then what does count and suffice to trigger trade evolution? Do I just hand over the Machoke Poké ball to my friend, or is the trade machine needed? Because if it is needed, the trigger isn't that simple. Perhaps the machine helps account for a slow release of energy after the trigger is reached. Also, would Pokémon in the wild who are moving from one habitat to the next because of, say, Groudon lifting some seafloor, "evolve by trade"?

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I belive I meant changing company, rather that just habitat.

Also, we have wild Gengar in certain locations, as well as loads of wild item trade evos in Black and White. Then, we have Karrablast activelly going after Shelmet, so, while trading over may be something of a cathalist, a Karrablast that manages to get a Shelmet out of its shell-helmet will evolve, and ditto for the Shelmet.

For those things, Pokemon Special does it the best, as it is quite consistent in the field of game mechanics. There, trade evolutions have been triggered by accident, and there was no need for a complex machine ala the anime.

edited 24th Mar '11 7:45:09 AM by Eriorguez

another thing, as of 5th gen, Feebas no longer evolves via beauty, and the beauty mechanic no longer exists, so maybe scratch that one? Or could that be seen as more of a regional thing?

edited 24th Mar '11 7:41:45 AM by Blissey1

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↑For that one I'd wait to the y/n on a 5th Gen Hoenn remake before venturing anything of importance, but so far it could be purported as a regional thing, Unova is half a world away after all.

↑↑And that's what I meant. I mean, in the same way what does "changing company" mean exactly? "I stop seeing that familiar face and see this new one one instead" doesn't sound like a definable threshold considering you're bound to the same effects if, for example, your Pokémon has to spend too much time at the caretaker or Pokémon Center.

Which brings to my mind: is there something like rehab in the Pokémon world?

Makes sense, considering the friggin' trade with item evo mechanics.

edited 24th Mar '11 7:54:36 AM by SilentReverence

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I figured trade evolutions in the wild just happened over such a long period of time that it would be impractical to wait for it to happen naturally.

Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.

Is there any connection between EM waves and evolution? Because we need some sort of explanation for how TR was using radio waves to forcibly evolve Magikarp...

Onto less on-topic stuff...

Are those style guidelines near completion by any chance? Or were there still things that were being added/revised regarding them?

Also, did we have a timeframe for finishing G1 starter revisions / beginning the collab revisions for non-G1 starters? (Seeing as the revisions for the G1 starters are still stuck in limbo...)

Oh yeah, still looking for anyone who's willing to take up joint writing for Gligar/Murkrow/Durddigon. If I don't get any hits by around mid-April, I'll might just go ahead and write up whatever hasn't been (partially) claimed as a solo job.

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Well, on the topic of EM waves being used to influence minds, there is the Level Upper Incident in Railgun, when the audio track Level Upper was used to forcibly reprogram brainwaves. The Rockets probably found a frequency and pattern that could be perceived by pokemon and would alter their brainwave patterns.

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actually, I think that

combined with influencing brain waves answers the whole radio thing quite well

EDIT: not to mention E4 members always having illegal mons...

edited 24th Mar '11 9:09:56 AM by Blissey1

XP granted for befriending a giant magical spider!

Illegal-level mons? I always imagined them using Level Limiters or intentionally holding back.

The three finest things in life are to splat your enemies, drive them from their turf, and hear their lamentations as their rank falls!

I was hoping to get the style guidelines revised soon, yes; still think some distilling could be used, now that they've been sorted.

Also, Evolution and Eevee need to be talked through as a group soon, given how often the topic comes up.

I was hoping to schedule a chat this weekend. Turns out I have a programming competition Saturday, though, so I may not be able to make it on that day.

Do you highlight everything looking for secret messages?

I'm free all day on Saturday unless my mother wants to go somewhere (which I doubt, since it's going to be raining cats and dogs up until Sunday).

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Can I call dibs on Poocheyna/Mightyena? I don't see anybody with dibs on it.