Fan-Fiction and Trope Pages

What is the rule-of-thumb before creating a trope page for a fanfiction? Should it have a certain amount of hits (ie. 1000, 10000) or should it have its own website?

There got to be an unwritten rule about this, or people would be making trope pages left and right about there virtually-unknown fan-fic.

There Is No Such Thing As Notability, do try to use the Fan Fic/ namespace

edited 14th Aug '10 8:02:45 AM by Ghilz

Nope. If it is published anywhere, including only on the internet, it is a work. Put the description in the Fan Fic namespace (like this:FanFic/TheTitleOfTheThing.

See:There Is No Such Thing As Notability

Fair warning, if it reads like an advertisement rather than a description or it doesn't have a trope list, it will likely be cut.

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edited 14th Aug '10 8:06:20 AM by FastEddie

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So I could make a trope page of my Death Note fan-fiction with over 400 hits?

Okay!

If it's your own fanfic, put it in Troper Works.

Cattle die, kinsmen die. You yourself will surely die. Only word-fame dies not, for one who well achieves it.

By the way, is there a page that lists the most common tropes that most series have?

Omnipresent Tropes ;P

BTW, I'm a chick.

^^^ Not necessary. You can create your own page in the Fan Fic namespace for your own fanfic. Just has to follow all the usual rules.

Would you kill your best friend, can you save yourself?

It says on that page "If you want to post your own fics, do it in Troper Works. That page was specifically designed for you to pimp your own works, NOT THIS ONE'."

This makes sense. It matters that the page was written by the story's own author, if only because it means it has to be read as an advertisement. As a courtesy to the readers, we should let them know, which is why we have a Troper Works namespace.

We could abandon that namespace, of course, and let tropers mingle their self-advertisement with the rest of the pages, but preferably only after find out what all interested editors, and the admins, actually think.

Cattle die, kinsmen die. You yourself will surely die. Only word-fame dies not, for one who well achieves it.

Provided it's not written as an advertisement, the author isn't a dick about edits that aren't gushing, etc, why on earth shouldn't a piece of fanfiction be relegated to Troper Works because it happened to be a troper who wrote it?

I'm all for deleting the line you quoted, it seems pointless at best, a violation of There Is No Such Thing As Notability at worst (since it's classifying fiction by tropers as less notable than by non-tropers, at least that's my impression).

As I understand it, using Troper Works is optional or for non-published works, not a requirement for the published kind.

edited 14th Aug '10 2:25:35 PM by AddyThePawnSlayer

Would you kill your best friend, can you save yourself?

And where does it say that?

This isn't about notability: you're perfectly free to do a page for any fanfic you please, even if it's only ever been read by you, the author, and their cat. It's about being fair on the reader, and letting them know which pages are self-advertisements.

Monitoring such pages, as you appear to be suggesting, to ensure the authors are being reasonable about the description of their own fanfics, is simply not practical.

Cattle die, kinsmen die. You yourself will surely die. Only word-fame dies not, for one who well achieves it.

If pages aren't written reasonably, report or cut them.

I don't see any reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater though by stopping people making pages for their own fiction in the Fan Fic namespace.

Could a mod or admin please make a commentary on this? This doesn't look like it's going anywhere without such an opinion.

Would you kill your best friend, can you save yourself?

I deleted that wrong line. Somebody pulled that bit of policy out of their six.

Moving the Troper Works items to Fan Fics or Web Original  ^||

and zapping the Troper Works namespace seems fine to me.

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So I could make a trope page of my Death Note fan-fiction with over 400 hits?

Okay!

It's a bit tacky to do it, but no one will stop you.

edited 14th Aug '10 7:46:31 PM by BLOODPOUCH

It's not the least bit tacky.

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But I like Troper Works as a namespace, 'cuz it lets me see and know what kind of things my fellow tropers make. I like knowing what goes on in the creative parts of their brains.

"Proto-Indo-European makes the damnedest words related. It's great. It's the Kevin Bacon of etymology." ~Madrugada

Besides, we let people make pages for their Unpublished Works. At least fanfic authors have something to show for their pimpage. :P

Thanks for the all fish!

If someone wants to out their stuff in Troper Works, fine. Not a requirement, though. Fanfic and web original is Fanfic and web original, no matter who writes it.

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By the by, where should I be pimping my LP? The Let's Play page seems to indicate it's a list of particularly good ones, which mine is not, so currently the only links I put up are on my profile page. Should I be making a Troper Works page for it?

BTW, I'm a chick.

Little weird, though, that 'Troper Works' is somehow associated with 'not good' in your thoughts.

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No, my crappy video is somehow associated with "Not good", lol. I wouldn't put my video on a list of "Best L Ps" by a looong shot, but it'd be nice to put it someplace where others could stumble across it.

BTW, I'm a chick.

My impression is that most of the posters on the forum, at least, think of Troper Works as being to fiction what Troper Tales are to nonfiction.

That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful

Whether it's tacky or not is really a cultural thing. Some places, blowing your own trumpet is frowned upon, but in others it's positively expected.

Whatever your stance on that, its only polite to warn our readers, so they can take any self-praise with a pinch of salt. If Fast Eddie wants the Troper Works namespace dissolved, so be it - it's his site. It just means self-promoting pages will flourish unmonitored. Just keeping track of which pages were written by the work's author is nontrivial, and then there's the prospect of endless rounds of argument with those troper-authors trying to protect 'their' pages. I don't see many volunteers coming forwards.

Still, I may be being too pessimistic. It's perfectly possible we tropers are a responsible bunch, none of whom would ever put our egos above the good of the site. We'll just have to see how it goes.

Cattle die, kinsmen die. You yourself will surely die. Only word-fame dies not, for one who well achieves it.

The worst self-pimping was for works that weren't in Troper Works. The Easy Breather, for example, got perma-locked because the artist simply wouldn't allow anything that wasn't unadorned gushing to stay on the page for more than a few hours.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Wikis work by the contributors cross checking each other on everything else, there is no reason for it to work any differently for keeping self-aggrandizement within tolerable limits.

Again, I'm not campaigning to dissolve Troper Works. Just correcting the idea that it is some sort of ghetto a work must reside in if the author puts up the page.

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