Mahou Sensei Negima

The first three Other World OA Ds are available in english, yes. Someone linked the third earlier.

I just had a stroke of Fridge Logic: The name of Zazie's artifact is "Magic Lantern Circus". Up until now, every artifact's name was essentially connected to the artifact's nature and/or powers. Now, assuming that it's still true in Zazie's case, that means that it should be some form of illusion power, because it's a "circus". Thusly, it shouldn't even be capable of transporting anything, and therefore this "Cosmo Entelechia" is mostly likely not the real one, but an imitation of it that is based on the same underlying principle; it should not be necessary to point out that this also means that the Parusama we see in the TV news report is not the real one - and that it's, in all likelihood, a deliberate Chekhov's Gun meant to test Negi-tachi's ability to break the illusion.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

So...if it's just an illusion...how the hell did the Negi-tachi disappear from Fate's security screens, then?

And I'm still wondering, how the hell did Zazie get from Earth to the Magical World anyways?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

There is a portal in Mahora. I assumed, at first, that she went through there. I am not sure anymore, though.

[1] the OA Vs

• waits for Marq FJA's Negima?! 2*

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Not all of the gateports were destroyed; the one in the Ostia ruins was believed to be active, but nobody had any access to it because Fate's base was too close. On the other end, it seems that there was an inactive, but functional Gateport under Library Island, near where Albireo lives. If Zazie has access to the right information, she could have known about that. My personal theory is that when the World Tree started inexplicably glowing a few chapters back, it was due to Zazie activating the Gateport down by its roots to get to Mundus Magicus. It also explains how she would have been able to get to Fate's hideout; the Gateport that she arrived at in Mundus Magicus is nearby.

edited 24th Jul '10 1:03:18 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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I thought they said that the gate port was overcharging or something (and going to go boom) hinting that it might the one that's connected to Ostia and that energy gathering might be part of Fate's plan. (I think thats what Dynamis is doing since he is DND)

(if negi learns of this he would have to decide Mahora or help Fate)

edited 24th Jul '10 1:16:11 PM by Raso

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Mahora links to the Ostian gateport. It's pretty clear Zazie is tough enough to not be bothered by anyone at Mahora except for Albireo and Evangeline.

And they probably wouldn't try to stop her anyway. They're probably more informed about what's going on and may very well have an idea about what Zazie was trying to accomplish.

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I am not sure if Zazie is that strong. Touko and the sunglasses guy were shown to be a stronger then Setsuna and Kaede last time they fought (if I interpreted their fight correctly), even if by a small margin. Also, the black dude with a pistol and a knife(forgot his name) appear to be pretty strong too (as long he is not drunk). Not to mention pretty much all the staff would be at the Mahora's gateport. Even if we assume Zazie is stronger then each one individually, I don't believe she is able to just defeat then all effortless. Give that guys a bit more credit.

Mana with the help of Chao took them all out in the course of a single chapter.... yet Zazie pretty much pwned Mana, Setsuna, Kaede in the course of a few pages.

Also the power of her artifact seems to be pretty much extreme even if she just pulls it out for a few minutes she could just have them in the illusion for a while and gets to the gate port and transports.

The Glasses pair is probably their strongest team at the moment since Takamichi is in the magic world.

edited 24th Jul '10 3:03:02 PM by Raso

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The magic teachers were noted by Rakan as not being quite as strong as Negi before he took about fifty levels in badass. Setsuna/Kaede were fairly evenly matched against their opponents but at a slight disadvantage. Zazie is apparently at least at at the levels of the Ala Alba fighters, who are also much stronger than they were before. Those teachers are probably no stronger than they were before.

The other problem is that Setsuna and Kaede were fighting under the handicap of not wanting to get anyone hurt, so they were holding back. Also, If I recall correctly, the Kaede that was fighting was actually a Shikigami, and the real Kaede was on her way to meet up with the rest of the team by the roots of the World Tree.

There's also the fact that if Zazie has illusion powers, she could get to the Gateport without anyone seeing her anyway. Even if someone got in her way, it isn't like she'd have to fight all the teachers at once. Besides, we have no idea how strong she is. She could be up in the uber tier with Rakan and Eva for all we know.

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^^^Mana took them all with telepot magic scrols and a uber powerful magic bullet. Actually, it is pretty much clear sh would be defeated if was not by it.

^^An average magic teacher. Like the guy-who-has-a-name-and-a-face-but-does-nothing-important (also forget his name). Both Negi and Takamichi are magic teacher of Mahora, and yet they are much more powerful then the average. I consider that number to be only valid to the countless of hooded guys you see in the festival battle.

^Kaede wasn't a shikigami all this time. Just in the end so she could catch the others. And I don't believe the teachers were battling with their all either (except Touko, maybe), so the handicap count for both. Anyway, we couldn't see much of the battle. We can say they are not strong enough to defeat Kaede and Setsuna easily. But the inverse is also true. We also can say they can incapacitate then both for a short period of time (the two girls were imprisoned once). We also know that Touko is the one who teached Setsuna, so she can't be weak herself (and she is probably stronger then Setsuna).

Really, I think you are all underestimating then too much. I do not believe they are stronger then Negi in how he is now. But I believe they are stronger then the rugular members of the Ala Alba, including Setsuna and Ku Fei. At most I would say they are of the same strength of Mana and Kaede.

edited 24th Jul '10 4:35:05 PM by Heatth

The teachers were at an average of 300. Remember, the average is what's important since she's surely stronger than any of them individually. Negi was 450. Negi is now roughly on par with Fate at 8000. He's gained more strength than Setsuna and Kaede have in the magic world arc, but remember, these two were on par with him at the start of the magic world arc. Zazie is not exactly lacking on power compared to them. The teachers are mauve shirts by this point.

Edit: I might be slightly wrong on the initial chart numbers, but that's basically it.

edited 24th Jul '10 4:42:56 PM by Arha

A pretty big possible spoiler from Robotech Master at the Comic Book Resources manga board. But take it with a grain of salt since he isn't fully sure himself (he heard it from other sources):

The person they encountered was Zazie's older sister. The one Negi talks to in his dream world is the real Zazie. Zazie helps Negi to get out of the illusion, but she warns him that her sister is very strong.

edited 24th Jul '10 4:52:19 PM by OverMaster?!

Huh, interesting.

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^^^Negi, Mana and Kaede, at the start of the Magic World arc were considerable more powerful then an average magic teacher. However, that 'average' don't mean nothing if we don't know how many there are. Also, it actually don't mean nothing, since it wasn't calculated. This could just mean "most magic teacher are 300 chisames strong, but tehre are some guys who are stronger".

Lets compare Mana to the important magic teachers. Remember she was using overpowerful one hit kill magic bullets. Furthermore, she also used magic bullets made specially against them. For the Black Dude and the Sunglasses Guy she used a bullet with extended area, because she knew they would intercept it (showing how much she trusted the Black Guy would hit a bullet with another bullet). For Touko she used a two part bullet, because she knew she would cut it in half (we don't see Setsuna even trying to do the same).

Mana had a special bullet for each 'important' magic teacher. This, for me, show she knew she couldn't win against them by herself. Of course, it wouldn't work if it wasn't Mana. But, for me, this show they are more powerful then her, at last. And Mana is, together with Kaede, the strongest of Negi's allies. The magic teacher are weaker then Rakan, weaker then Takamichi, probably weaker then Thunder God Negi. But stronger then the second stronger member of Ala Alba (actually, third, if we count Eva).

That don't mean Zazie couldn't have go past then somehow. I am just saying she couldn't have just go and walk effortless through them. Assuming they were guarding the the gateport, she probably used some trick, illusion or distraction.

edited 24th Jul '10 5:24:24 PM by Heatth

Doesn't change the fact that:

• A: We don't know anything about how strong Zazie is other than she took out Mana, Setsuna, and Kaede single-handed  ^*
  ^{note that when they were fighting the teachers it was 2 on 2}
  and with very little effort. At worst, this places her on the level of "pretty freaking strong".

• B: There's no indication that she had to fight anyone; only Mahora's higher-ups know that the Gateport is even there. The only one who would be guaranteed to know if she went through the Gateport is Albireo, so either he gave her the OK  ^*
  ^{and the Headmaster would probably trust his judgment}
  or Zazie was able to defeat him, which means that she must be pretty damn strong.

In either case, it's completely possible that she was able to get to the Mahora Gateport.

edited 24th Jul '10 5:52:33 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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I was never saying Zazie is not very strong. I was just bothered by people thinking she is able to just effortless win (or "not be bothered by") everyone in Mahora. Sure, Zazie(apparently) is strong. She probably is stronger then even the most powerful magic teachers (not counting the Principal, Takamichi and Negi). But I think it is too soon to declare only Eva and Curnel are able to win her. It might be true, but, at this point, how to say? Also, don't forget the possibility she could win the main girls of Ala Alba thanks to her ghosts, meaning her, by herself, is not that strong.

But, yeah, there is no real point of this discussion. I am not dismerting Zazie, just wanting people to reconise the main magical teachers a it more.

Sadly, until the rest of the Mahora staff stops being Out of Focus along the rest of 3-A, there's no good way of getting better feats to qualify them more properly, one way or another, compared to anyone else.

based on the comments on Astroboy's blog this is true

So the Real Zazie is still a Chekhov's Gunman still in the closet.

edited 24th Jul '10 6:51:49 PM by Raso

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Well, that's certainly unexpected. I think that this is the first case of a member of Negi's class being confirmed to have siblings  ^*

. Of course, this begs the question of why Zazie is inside the illusion, as well as raising more questions about how Zazie is connected to everyone else. Of course if Zazie's sister is related to Chao somehow, it certainly explains how Zazie ended up in the class. Maybe Chao wanted backup or something.

edited 24th Jul '10 7:10:33 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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So does this mean the real Zazie isn't as strong as the one in the recent chapters?

Hyped for Hyperdimension Neptunia V 2

She could be stronger. We have no way of knowing because the real Zazie hasn't actually done anything yet.

edited 24th Jul '10 7:12:18 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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