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shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#1076: Oct 19th 2023 at 10:05:09 PM

Hello. I am preparing to post a draft for a trope called Symbolic Cast Fadeout (name subject to change) and would like to hear your opinion. If this draft is okay I would post this on the Grammar thread to look for grammar errors before posting it to the public. I even got a header image ready!

Symbolic Cast Fadeout:

Laconic: A cast list that is faded out (or otherwise marked) whenever a cast member die.

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So, you wrote a work with Ensemble Cast, Rotating Protagonist, multiple storylines running at once or a work with Anyone Can Die. As an author you have a careful plan to use all of the characters and how they would factor into the story. But how do you let your viewers keep track of the names and survival status of your cast? While a wall of text might work for literature works, a more visual focused media like comics or animation would prove to be hard to keep the readers engaged.

Enter this trope. Symbolic Cast Fadeout is when the author listed out the cast in the story, usually at the beginning or the end of the chapter, and symbolically “removed” them whenever a character got killed off. Despite the name, there are many methods to accomplish this. A gray fade out is the most common, due to the Death Is Gray trope and also the color gray allows the artist to still keep the common black color line art of the character visible even after they are faded out. An X is another common method, since there is strong association of the letter X with the symbol of death.

Naturally, due to being a list that corresponds to the status of the characters in the story, the author can have some fun with this. When a character revealed to be Not Quite Dead or be Back from the Dead, the author usually remove the mark from the character picture. If a character is not dead but otherwise unable to take part in the story, the author might note the status of that character like “missing” or “injured”,

Compare to Fade to Black and Fade to White, where the screen would fade to those color for important moments. Compare to Fade Out, where the screen going black marks the end of the work or of an episode.

Examples:

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    Anime and Manga 
  • Each chapter of Monkey Peak open with the cast list with the name and age of the characters with the deceased characters picture grey out. This is a major hint that some characters survive their apparent death. The only exception is Chief Hagasawa after his first death and his return before being revealed to be Evil All Along.:
  • The Kindaichi Case Files: This is a series staple to remind the audience the name and age of the suspects and victims.
    Film - Live Action 

    Webcomic 
  • Surviving Romance does this several times with the classmates of the protagonist Chaerin / Huisu: When they start to trust her (the characters no longer be a shadow in the cast list and have their full face is revealed), when they die (the picture of the character become gray and have red X mark on them) and when they start to gain sentience (the character’s picture is rip off of the cast list). The only characters not listed on the cast list are Minwoo, Jeha (both of whom are the male leads of the original novel) and the Big Bad the original Chaerin. When Se-Eun is revealed to the Greater Scrope Villain the Devil her picture is replaced with a red handprint on a black background.

Edited by shatterstar on Oct 19th 2023 at 10:11:32 AM

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#1077: Oct 20th 2023 at 5:53:36 PM

I'd say both ([up] and [up][up]) drafts are good to go.

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#1078: Nov 1st 2023 at 1:40:07 PM

Reposting from ATT to here now that I've been reminded that this thread exists tongue

I'm drafting a TLP proposal for a genre of Let's Play content that definitely exists as it's been covered in quite a few published articles, but currently doesn't have a real name or any kind of place on here, and I think there's a major hole to be filled in regards to an index for these works.

It's basically like, the genre of Let's Play that instead of focusing on being a walkthrough or showcasing reactions to the game or the player's skill, they end up being closer to an unscripted Machinima or a digital Actual Play. The tone and subject matter vary greatly but the unifying factor is that they focus on new stories the players come up with on the spot.

Some notable examples are Dream SMP, NoPixel, Half-Life but the AI is Self-Aware, SMPEarth, SMPLive, Hermitcraft, Slimecicle Cinematic Universe, QSMP but there's a lot more with work pages on here

Mostly Minecraft as you can see but definitely exists in other games too, I just think it doesn't get troped as much on here as the MC stuff does

Full sandbox where I'm drafting is here. I don't feel ready just yet to take it to TLP but still want help figuring this out ^^;

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#1080: Nov 1st 2023 at 2:08:07 PM

[up] The issue I think is that sometimes there are scripted video game roleplays that are still presented as a Let's Play and not as a Machinima, so I would want to emphasize the improv aspect. Also the double "play" doesn't roll off the tongue very well to me. Names are a pain.

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#1081: Nov 1st 2023 at 4:00:50 PM

[up] I'm not sure about it, because we recently decided to deprecate the LP namespace (summarized in the OP of this thread).

It may be hard to determine how much improvisation is required for it to be considered a constructed narrative, although we do have MST but yeah... I'd consider reading the summary post since it lists what has been laid out as a tropeworthy LP. It might just be me having difficulty distinguishing between improvised and non-improvised narratives and rather focusing on narrative v. non-narrative. Because a lot of improvised content still falls short of being tropeworthy because, despite the improvisation, it fails to create a narrative.

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#1082: Nov 1st 2023 at 4:21:38 PM

[up] I'm well aware, I've been working a lot on the Let's Play cleanup. The examples I listed are all already moved to Web Video (except Nopixel being in roleplay for whatever reason) so tropability isn't really the issue here, though I suppose an index for these works will likely be less needed when the non-tropable let's play pages are cut. Maybe I should just wait and see if there's enough transformative let's plays left when cleanup's done that don't fit this that an index for this genre is still justified

The works listed have very distinct narratives — focusing on wars, court cases, conflicts over theft and destruction, etc, that aren't designed by the game developers. If it's improvising without a narrative, it wouldn't fall under the scope of what I'm referring to here anyways

Edited by Serilly on Nov 1st 2023 at 4:26:47 AM

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#1083: Nov 2nd 2023 at 7:38:18 AM

Hi everyone, I've decided to adopt Adaptational Upbringing Change, a common What If? scenario for Comic Books and Fan Works. I've just stumbled upon Adaptational Backstory Change, which would be a supertrope. I would appreciate input on whether my draft is sufficiently different enough/merits the split from the more general parent trope.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#1084: Nov 9th 2023 at 9:50:39 PM

Hello. I looked through the Clock index and noticed there is no trope that describe where the clock or watch grant superpower to its user yet. Similar to tropes like Mask of Power, Place of Power, Ring of Power etc. Usually given a form of manipulating time. Don't know if I can find enough examples to make a TLP.

Examples:

  • Ben 10: The entire franchise focus on the Omnitrix, an alien device in the shape of a watch that can transform its wearer into different aliens.
  • D.Gray-Man: Miranda Lotto's clock caused the town she reside in to undergo a time loop. The clock later became her main weapon and Innocence Time Record that gives her various time-related powers.

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#1085: Nov 10th 2023 at 10:29:33 AM

[up] I got another example if anyone wants to draft this. I can flesh this out with more details if that gets made.

  • BoBoiBoy: The source of BoBoiBoy and his friends' superpowers come from special "power watches/bands" granted to them by the alien robot Ochobot. They appear as color-coded wristwatches that glow when its powers are in use, and they can even be used to contact others.

Edited by BlackFaithStar on Nov 11th 2023 at 2:34:25 AM

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#1086: Nov 10th 2023 at 2:22:54 PM

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#1087: Nov 11th 2023 at 4:08:24 AM

[up][up] Sound good. Send me the TLP link when you finished the first draft. I cannot really find other examples

Edit: I think the Kamen Rider / Power Rangers franchise definitely has some examples of watches that give power. Anyone familiar with those works can contribute examples when the draft is done

Edited by shatterstar on Nov 11th 2023 at 4:13:32 AM

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#1088: Nov 12th 2023 at 4:29:17 PM

If anyone has any feedback on Click to Grow I'd much appreciate it. I understand why it stagnated since it is a niche concept, being a gameplay trope that is pretty much exclusive to one genre, but I'm not giving up hope on it since the trope definitely exists

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#1089: Nov 15th 2023 at 9:39:10 PM

@1983: Honestly, I don't think so.

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#1090: Dec 4th 2023 at 5:42:07 AM

I launched Technician/Performer Team-Up today and noticed that the / between "Technician" and "Performer" didn't come through in the actual trope page. How does one get that to happen? (Like in Orange/Blue Contrast for example?)

Wasn't sure where else to ask but figured someone in this group would likely know.

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#1091: Dec 4th 2023 at 6:37:54 AM

Go to Technician/Performer Team-Up and under the More menu in the top bar, select Wiki word and enter "Technician/Performer Team-up" in the custom display

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#1093: Feb 2nd 2024 at 3:16:18 AM

I'd like some feedback on (at least) the name of this TLP draft I'm almost done with, currently called Head Meets Screen.

I think the scope I set for the trope is reasonable (a head/body part hits a screen, both receive damage as a result), but I'm unsure if the current name reflects that. My other idea to name this trope is "Head Smashes Screen."

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#1094: Mar 13th 2024 at 4:51:54 PM

What's the current process for a name crowner in TLP? I've got a draft with three different proposed names. It's currently called "Homeowners' Autocracy", but people also seem to like "Home Overlord Association" and "Tyrannical Homeowners' Association".

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#1095: Mar 13th 2024 at 5:16:21 PM

I'll try and make a crowner for you, then link it. Are those the only three name options you're voting on or are there more I should add?

Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 13th 2024 at 8:16:48 AM

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#1096: Mar 13th 2024 at 5:56:12 PM

Those are the only ones anyone has suggested.

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#1097: Mar 13th 2024 at 7:17:45 PM

I linked you a title crowner in the draft.

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#1098: Mar 13th 2024 at 7:21:24 PM

Thanks a ton.

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#1099: Mar 23rd 2024 at 7:48:49 AM

Hey, everyone . I have an idea for a trope that I want to shop around. I know Fashion Show, The Fashionista, and Fashion-Shop Fashion Show are already tropes, but what about fashion themed episodes? Like, the plot of an episode centers around an upcoming fashion show, a character becoming a model, or a character trying to keep up with fashion trends.

So far, I have the list of examples I want to include:

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     Western Animation 

     Web Animation 

“Fashion Victims” - Camp Camp

     Anime & Manga 

“We Love Fashion: The Stylish Guardians” - Sailor Moon

And two plot summaries drafted:

In "Project Ray Way, Raymond starts a line of designer clothes, much to Rad’s shagrin. So Rad, along with K.O. and Enid, teams up with Lakewood’s resident fashionista Drupe to start an empire of their own at the plaza. Raymond catches wind and retaliates using the mind control tags on his shirts to steal Drupe’s designs.

Season 4’s “Supermodel Tom” sees Tom becoming a model after being discovered by Autumn Summers during Fashion Week. But the fun doesn't last when his friends start treating him like an idiot.

Tom: What is going on?
Angela: Oh, he's confused. Tom, we're in a diner.
Ben: Don't worry about thinking, Tom. Just stay pretty.
Later, his fellow models warn him that he's fallen victim to “The Model’s Curse”:

Reece: Once you're a model, people think you're a mirror-loving fool. Who only cares about teeth whiteners.

But, I need more examples aside from Western Animation and ideas for a name and explanation. So if any of you can help, I'd be more than grateful.


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