BlazBlue: General thread.

Honestly its getting to the point where I think its impossible to please both casual and competitive crowds no matter what you do. No matter what side you cater to you'll get complaints.

Black Yakuzu 94: If you have been listening to this "whining" for years, this is a clear signal, one that proves that I'm right when I say I'm not alone in this whole shit, that people is still offended by Central Fiction's case, and a clear sign that there are people that did not and/or will not let go of this issue unless Arc System solves this one point. That "moaing" will not go away anytime soon, the same way as the war around Street Fighter V and its lack of content in its first two years.

And behold, for if Arc System does not rectify this case, it'll leave a bad mark for them, just like Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite left one for Capcom just last year.

Mighty Kombat: People often forget that Ed Boon's been around for nearly 30 years now. I am not kidding when I say Mortal Kombat is the Ur-Example of complex stories on fighting games. I wouldn't say Street V's case is laughable, tho. It's way better than what Tekken 7 pulled.

Alpha VII: Casuals don't need much to be pleased. Just slap a good Arcade Mode with endings, a story that doesn't feel stupidly shallow (I.E. Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite), and things to do by yourself, as well as tools to allow you to improve your game as you gain interest. For competitive players... Let's say Street Fighter V actually went the right way in some sense.

Guys, while I do appreciate this talk about stories in fighting games, might I suggest to take this to the Fighting Game thread?

Actually, much of the topic has been around the discord and Casual-Competitive Conflict sparked by BlazBlue: Central Fiction's lack of dub.

My apologies. However, you guys have digressed to talk about the casual / competitive divide and how that affects fighting game plots.

Which directly affected central fiction, a blazblue game. And had consequences resulting from it.

It's not as off topic as you're making it to be.

Just so Hallow Hawk knows: Aksys decided to skip Central Fiction's dub in order to pander to competitive players and release the game as soon as possible.

The problem? People were willing to wait for the dub. Not only that, do you really think competitive players get the US version to play? No, they go straight for the japanese version.

Arc System is held responsible for this because they are the ones who contracted Aksys to do the job, just so you know.

edited 28th Apr '18 8:54:59 AM by ZeroDozer

Jumping into the discussion.

Remember when everyone complained about how far apart the release dates for Blaz Blue games were? Europe only got Calamity Trigger a year after Japan and NA. Europe also had to wait half a year longer than Japan and NA for Continuum Shift. Then came Chronophantasma; both NA and European release dates were set in the year after the Japanese release date. Same with Guilty Gear Xrd Sign, the European release date was the year after the NA and Japanese release date.

Then Guilty Gear Xrd Revelator came along and shocked us all with its June release date for NA and Europe, only two weeks or so after Japan. It was also the first fighting game Arc had released in a while with no English Dub option. The same happened with Central Fiction, with its NA and European released only a month after the Japanese one, again, with no English Dub.

Now obviously there were some internal reworkings to give Cross Tag Battle a tighter release schedule and an English Dub (even though as far as I know, the European release date hasn't been confirmed yet), but looking at the dates, I have my doubts that Central Fiction was rushed purely 'for the competitive crowd'. Even casual fans complained about the disparity in release dates.

I honestly believe dropping the English Dub was a cost-cutting measure at the time; which allowed for this change in the release schedule.

That's all I came in here to add.

edited 28th Apr '18 9:35:47 AM by LatverianBadger

Except that people explicitly said that they would wait for the dub.

Blaz Blue fans aren't as impatient as Guilty Gear fans, for starters. Whatever move Arc System does now with this disgusting crossover will not forgive the massive damage they have done.

I refuse to take that the fucking franchise's climax gets no dub and the mercenary piece of shit that this crossover is gets one.

Note: Corner-cutting, AKA Christmas Rushed or, for fighting games, EVO rushed.

edited 28th Apr '18 9:37:49 AM by ZeroDozer

Lots of European players have expressed their impatience with Blaz Blue's release dates in their country in this very thread. I doubt everyone was willing to wait for a dub, I recall players vowing they'd drop the series because of the release dates, and this was Arc's solution at the time.

Now I'm not saying Central Fiction doesn't deserve a dub, mind you. I'm merely speaking my opinion of what the likely reason was for the Dub being cut.

Well, now they got a portion of the Blaz Blue fanbase furious and it only got more heated on these last two years. What did those idiots at Aksys expect for trying to apply the same maneuver they did to GG Xrd -REVELATOR- on Central Fiction?

People didn't care for GG Xrd's dub because Guilty Gear never had or needed a dub to begin with.^note A shame, because Xrd's dub was actually good.

Now, from Street Fighter IV onwards, Capcom started dubbing Street Fighter and never stopped doing it. They never had to cut corners to appease players. Namco since Tekken 5 has gone a different way and dubs their characters according to their country of origin (Well, Eddie and Christie didn't get Brazilian Portuguese until Tag 2).

Why just now has Arc System done THIS? What's the fucking logic of this? Will they even solve the elephant in the room they have made?

edited 28th Apr '18 10:05:37 AM by ZeroDozer

What portion? I haven't heard anyone being mad that BBTAG has a dub unless they hate dubs in general.

Ooh! Someone else who liked Xrd's short-lived dub! High five brother.

Outside of the argument, I would advise (like others in this thread have) for you to step back, take a breath, and calm down for a bit. People will take your arguments more seriously if they're delivered in a calm manner. The exception is in reviews that are meant to entertain as well as inform.

I should point out that Arc is not a large company. Their pockets are not as deep as Capcom's or Namco's.

Sorry, I really have this bad tendency of letting my rage take over. I've toned down some of my cursing on the previous post.

I can understand them not being as big as Capcom or Namco (And even Namco took two years to take Tekken 7 to consoles and the West.^note Which is funny, given they actually had two years to make a full game and only 70% of a game came out of this). But that corner-cutting maneuver was ridiculous.

I will not take this crossover as an apology. I want Central Fiction's dub, and only that dub.

edited 28th Apr '18 10:08:41 AM by ZeroDozer

That's totally fine, brother. Everyone has their faults, and it's never too late to keep them in check.

They're a business, they'll do what's best financially. Whether they were wrong or not, cutting the dub was what they decided was best for them at the time. People wanted the dub and were willing to wait, but there were also people who didn't care and didn't want to wait.

edited 28th Apr '18 10:09:39 AM by Marona

That and it sounded like the Japanese branch had more say in the whole thing than the US branch.

You really think Aksys took the heat for the time gap between releases? Or for the end result of their retarded maneuver?

It ALWAYS ends up on Arc System's tab.

edited 28th Apr '18 12:30:09 PM by ZeroDozer

And like someone pointed out, the dub was cut likely for cost reasons. Arcsys would have had to outsource for and pay for it to be dubbed.

They didnt just decide "let's fuck over the fanbase" one day. Now how they handled it is another story

Well if Mori doesn't want the characters to be playable w/o taking part of story (as happened to Lambda and Nu), then what will happen if BB got next main series game (Not BBCTB, which is a spin-off) after CF? (Spoiler ahead) In CF's ending we lost many characters to be playable:

• Nine, Terumi (+Susano'o), Celica (Minerva too), Arakune <— All Died.
• Noel (+Mu), Lambda <— Become nuns, the former resigned from NOL and violence.
• Jin <— Can't fight anymore.
• Hakumen <— Sealed in Boundary forever. Tsubakumen only brings Ookami, her hair is still red.

Probably not playable:

• Rachel <— Lost almost all her powers.
• Relius, Naoto, Hazama <— All left BB world, Naoto back to his universe.
• Azrael <— Being frozen for good and unlikely to be released as no problems in that world.
• Nu <— crippled.

How will Mori keep them playable 'and' still in story (If that's what he wants) without pulling a huge BS? Admittedly BB-verse is an universe where nothing's gonna be lost forever with Boundary that connects multiple world, timelines, and the "afterlife" for deceased souls; Boundary is very hard to access (ask Arakune) but some still can do it like Rachel. Although Mori said next BB story will be only about Es, Naoto, Hazama, and Relius.

BTW Ragna didn't die, only all memories of him is removed in the world. And Es also going through same fate Ragna did at the end of X Blaze 1.

Time for BlazBlue 2 Overtune.

The last screen of CF implied murakumos are gonna be coming◊

edited 1st May '18 5:09:18 PM by CountofBleck

They do no justice for Black Onslaught in the cutscene. In game, the final stab is augmented with red orb, dark wing, and if you look closely, red big laser, also it erases enemy's soul and body after hit. But in the Terumi's death cutscene it's just a regular sword stab that keeps the victim in one piece, which leads into some complaining Terumi's death is anticlimatic.

When you miss Terumi's quote "Suffer for eternity...Ragna the Bloodedge...!", you can just make that words echoing in Ragna's mind as the black feathers would dissipate around him after the finisher, making it even more terrifying.

edited 5th May '18 3:40:38 AM by asdfr

For an actually tvtropes focused topic: there is a problem with a bunch of BlazBlue pages. As per official spoiler policy, Fridge pages, Headscratchers and all Moments pages (Awesome, Funny etc.) are supposed to be Spoilers Off, which at the moment is only true for BB's Tear Jerker. I would do it all myself but unfortunately several of the pages have well over 100 spoiler tags each and that is WAY too much work for me to do on my own without going crazy. Which is why I am requesting for people to help me take care of this. Please.

EDIT: Took care of Awesome which I think had the most tags. That's all I can stand to do for tonight.

edited 8th May '18 6:09:39 PM by Ogiga99