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If you want a more detailed look at it from the words of the same person that broke silence about it first, try this post

So I recently found this on my dash:

I couldn't find anything in those sources about Zoe Quinn raping someone... does anyone know anything about this?

I believe she once equated adultery to rape.

That's my understanding of it - people who are talking about how she raped her boyfriend are referring to comments she's made where she said something akin to that cheating on someone but not telling them about it while still continuing the relationship is a version of raping them. Which, as the people who are bringing up the topic are then pointing out, is exactly what Zoe Quinn did no less than five times.

I may not agree with Zoe Quinn that it constitutes rape, but I do think it's very problematic for different reasons, and that she cheated on him five times with five different guys says a lot about her character, none of it any good at all whatsoever.

Yeah, there's also the other one, where the person brought it up on twitter I think it was and then they got shouted down by people for bringing it up. I can't remember if they accused them of lying or not or if they just got upset that it was mentioned.

I get the feeling that if Quinn were male this would not have exploded into the kind of fire-storm that it did. Hell, her ex says as much, and he's the one who started off this whole despicable mess, if probably unintentionally. Even if she is a really unpleasant human being, these accusations would not be hurled in her direction were there not a sexist animus behind them. I mean, really, you want to bet how many of the people that are going nanners over Wozniak's assertion are the same people who would claim a cry wolf situation if the genders were reversed? And let's not even get started on the quid pro quo involved in game journalism beside which the tenuous assertions of nepotism against Quinn pale in comparison.

She's a woman who makes games and may have done some bad stuff. So she gets death and rape threats. Amazing. Good job.

So, let me get this straight, a guy decided to whine on the Internet that his ex cheated on him, causing shitstorm.

Said ex, being an internet persona, decided to contain the whole shitstorm by DELETE.FUCKING.EVERYTHING and the whole thing somehow escalated to professional articles arguing for the death of the decade old-term “gamer” as a cultural identity.

Really, Internet?

edited 31st Aug '14 3:52:36 AM by LogoP

There's a bit more to it than that, but... y'know, none of the extra stuff really changes anything.

So yes. You're completely right.

Yeah.

The thing is, I understand that the ex probably did not want all this other crap to come raining down over something that is ultimately personal and complicated and generally sucks for everyone, but that doesn't change the fact that most of the people attacking this woman aren't doing so in anything like good faith, and I find that really repellent.

But then, it's probably worth mentioning that I really don't like the Internet shame gang mentality that Tumblr tends to espouse, either. Calling someone out for being a dick about something is all well and good, but it has metamorphosed into something really nasty, or always was that way despite any good intentions. Pillorying people over the occasional bad opinion and antagonising your allies over slip-ups that could be lessons learned are just terrible ways to go about the business of getting people to do better. Not everyone that says something dumb is evil.

Isn't part of it the fact that Quinn slept with video game journalists, which is a major breach in conflict of interest? Also, I heard she was the one trying to cover it up.

Not that it excuses excess nastiness, but it's not simply an affair.

edited 31st Aug '14 5:44:50 AM by chihuahua0

I think she dated one, and that guy never actually covered her game? He did cover an event she did, but that was months before they got together.

But again... have you even been reading what I've been saying?

The ex really had no business crying about what happened on the Internet. It was between him & her. I mean, okay, what she did was low. Call her out for what she is, move out & move on.

Or, if you're really concerned with her potential to harm others, try to reason with people working with her or maybe someone getting involved with her. Going public does nothing but make everything worse for everyone with stuff like that. If it were about conflicts of interest, then he should have kept it about other people and avoided roping her into it given what would happen, but he couldn't and he didn't, because it was personal.

I don't think he's necessarily a horrible person, or even a bad one, but he fucked up, big time.

Sorry. The death threats 'are' unwarranted. And now I don't know how to say what I want to say since I'm sure you'll tear me down. I've been on Reddit, which has been directly affected by how Quinn has handled this incident.

Or, alternatively, if she were a guy, people wouldn't be covering her butt the way they are and things would have gone much, much worse for her - odds are from the get go and the ex-jilted girlfriend of "Zane" Quinn had made such a post talking about how "he" had slept with five women to further his career, "Zane" Quinn wouldn't have survived the day before being driven out of the community and never being able to work a publicly-noticed job ever again in his life.

Not just between him and her, between him, her, and he five people she cheated on him with - and considering who she cheated on with, it's also kind of important to the people who's would be affected by the relationship between Zoe Quinn and the people she cheated with.

She also seems to be putting lot of effort into getting people to help her cover it up and a driving force between attacking certain entities that she doesn't like related to the scandal.

Is anyone here familiar with the "The Fine Young Capitalists" situation? A game jam designed to help women in the game industry that Zoe Quinn attacked earlier on in effort to promote her own game jam?

Has anyone here heard about how after this whole scandal broke out, that 4chan - 4chan of all people - contributed thousands of dollars to TFYC - becoming their top supporter - and wound up designing a general female game character without any sexist or typical 4chan gimmicks.

But then, since Zoe didn't like that and TFYC had the gall to accept 4chan's money and thank them for it, TFYC got shut down. They're back up now, but I think it speaks volumes about the situation.

I don't think this situation is going away any time soon, especially not with the way Zoe Quinn and her supporters have been acting about it and trying to shut down and silence the people who are upset about the situation.

Okay, that last part is what I wanted to say. I'm more worried about how Quinn has handled this situation, which includes falsely claiming that she has been doxxed, contacting a moderator of /r/gaming and indirectly causing thousands of comments to be unjustly deleted, issuing at least one DMCA takedown notice on articles about her (and maybe more), and temporarily shutting down a gamer's event.

Still not worth death/rape threats, but still not excusable.

edited 31st Aug '14 8:24:01 AM by chihuahua0

Quinn sounds like a real piece of work in general but the whole thing shouldn't have been on the Internet in the first. If a couple breaks-up because one of them cheats, then it should really stay between the couple. The third person(s) will usually keep their mouth shut to avoid controversy.

That dude made the first big goog by crying online and dropping her name. But Quinn herself handled the whole thing like a total tool. As for the death threads... well, they sure are unfortunate but they empty exaggerated threats like these are commonplace on the Internet. Just vist the comment section of any controversial video on You Tube.

As it stands, things wouldn't be going nearly as bad for Zoe Quinn and her supporters if they weren't doing such a darn good job creating ammunition for people to use against them. Evidence has popped up from even before this whole thing broke out which shows Zoe Quinn to be a very nasty and unlikable woman, and very little has happened since then to give her and her supporters a very good image.

Some of the stuff the anti-Quinn side may not be acceptable, but the pro-Quinn side certainly isn't operating with a clean image right now, either.

Just checked and Quinn has a page on Encyclopedia Dramatica.

So, yeah, you can Zoe is dun goof'd, at this point. Shame, really. Just because some guy felt the need to baww online.

edited 31st Aug '14 8:41:41 AM by LogoP

I can't really say I'm feeling sorry for her right at the moment, given her behavior and lack of indication she's feeling any remorse about what she's both done and is doing.

Oh, I dislike her quite a bit as well. But still, very few people deserve to have a page on Encyclopedia Dramatica. And she really ain't heinous enough to be one of them.

edited 31st Aug '14 8:59:16 AM by LogoP