Seeing as this thread hasn't been posted on for ages, I guess I'd better revive it. And what's the best way to do that? By having one of my trademark long-ish posts, this time about rap and hip-hop.
Actually, I'll just call it "rap", because the term "hip-hop" annoys me (because it sounds a bit stupid to me).
My overall opinion? I think rap suffers tremendously from Sturgeon's Law or at least a variation on it
. I've listened to a fair bit of it - just to get a real idea of what it's like - and it's a genre that has great potential. (This sounds really elitist, but bear with me). And, regarding the "variation on Sturgeon's Law
", I don't think rap is 90% shit. I think it's about 10% shit and 80% OK.
I can list every single rap group/rapper I like (as in properly like, not "they're OK") off the top of my head, and unfortunately, it's under ten artists: Public Enemy
, Eminem, Wu Tang Clan, Afrika Bambaataa, Dead Prez, Grandmaster Flash, and Ice T, plus some
stuff from Jedi Mind Tricks and Tupac Shakur. (It would be exactly ten artists if Rage Against the Machine
counted as a rap group). Even then, there are only one (or two) of them I've actually bought albums of, Public Enemy and (if they count) RATM. That's not to say I find it a bad genre; I just think it gets killed by the culture.
Ah, yes, the culture. Now it's the culture that annoys me. Should I elaborate? Well, partly. First off, the Fan Dumb
. Jesus, the Fan Dumb
. Second... the Fan Dumb
, once again, because that's what ruins the culture. Rap fans are generally fine; if I thought otherwise, I wouldn't be posting in this thread. But the particular
type of fan I'm talking about... the ones who idolise the "gangsta" lifestyle (despite the fact that gangsta rap started off as a warning ''against'' that lifestyle
), the ones who are intensely homophobic and misogynistic, the ones who are stupid beyond belief
... and the ones who listen to commercialised shit like 50 Cent, Soulja Boy
and Lil Wayne.
So, now that the rant's over... can anyone suggest some really, really good rap groups/rappers? I mean brilliant ones. I want to see if there are more than 9-10 I really
edited 23rd Oct '09 10:08:00 AM by Lordnecronus