Persona series

The first two Persona games share precious little with the latter two beyond basic concepts though. I wouldn't actually accept that as an answer in terms of 3 and 4.

They wanted to go in a different direction for the newer generation of persona game I guess. Persona 1, Persona 2: Innocent Sin, and Persona 2: Eternal Punishment are interconnected in story and cast.

Well, Teddie proves Shadows can exist in our world just fine.

But yes, I always wondered about summoning Personas in the real world. I assumed that you can't since, well, they never do in the games. Granted, there's not a lot of times when they would want to, but it always struck me as odd that they were never once summoned outside the Dark Hour/TV World.

I'd hesitate to draw any conclusions from Teddie; he's not a "normal" shadow by any stretch of the imagination, so the rules that apply to him don't necessarily apply to anything else. That said, there's no question that supernatural entities in general can exist in the human world. Elizabeth has no trouble tagging along with the P3 protagonist for human-world field trips, and P4 has Izanami in addition to Teddie. But it's not clear exactly how any of those particular beings came to exist. Are they products of humanity's unconscious, like shadows and persona are? Maybe, but maybe not.

When Teddie shows up during the school trip, Rise comments that she wished she could use her powers in the real world, indicating that if she could have used to see him coming, she would have.

That seems to hint at Personas being unusable outside of the Dark Hour or Midnight Channel.

There really are a lot of instances where Juno or Himiko would be useful in the real world, now that I think of it.

Because Persona 2 was not normal, everything went to hell a long time ago. P1 and P2's successors are not P3 and P4 its the Devil Survivor series.

P3 and 4 focus on a dichotomy between school life and the super natural in a literal Wake Up, Go to School, Save the World style story that could never have happened if demons and personas were in the real world.

edited 12th Feb '16 8:18:24 AM by Memers

There's also that scene Chidori getting strangled by her persona in the middle of the day to consider...

We already know that Strega is somewhat atypical, due to the artificial personas and the drugs they take.

Though that scene still says a lot about Chidori considering she's kinda trying to kill herself there.

Mitsuru in Arena made it sound like shadows and personas shot up just fine outside the tv world or the dark hour. There are a lot of shadow incidents going on around the country all the time, apparently, even if they aren't end of the world level scenarios. The TV world isn't special because you can summon a persona there but rather because of how easy it is.

I'd also like to point out that Marie used Maziodyne in the real world.

Now, that could be because of psuedo-goddess powers or something, but it at least means that the sorta thing can be used irl.

But the only time she is actually shown dealing with that is in an artificial Dark Hour. Which is quite odd, honestly.

It's probably Hot Lightning, actually. But it's not really relevant. We know she's got power in the real world. She can freaking control the weather. But she's neither a Persona-user nor a Shadow, I don't think anyone's claiming that characters like her and Izanami lack power in the real world.

edited 12th Feb '16 10:27:01 AM by Larkmarn

Also Mitsuru's executions.

Marie is sort of a Persona user, in that she can use a Persona, though idk how canon that is.

Did we ever get an explanation for what Mitsuru's execution was?

I assumed it couldn't be Persona-based because she does it to Ryoji, who they thought was a civilian at the time.

Oh yeah, the P3 movies had Castor bugging out on Shinji during the day, but drugs.

I liked how in P2, Personas really are Stands and you could use their aura to power yourself up like Yukino and Tatsuya breaking open doors.

It's apparently just her freezing them but since that makes no sense and seems ooc I pretend that it's just super mysterious and terrible and unexplained.

Before the manga showed it as freezing them solid, I thought it was a type of Groin Attack.

She used magic. They can still summon personas outside it's just stressful and she must have been really mad.

The person hyping up how awful and terrible her executions are is Akihiko, who's weak to ice. Of course he hates them.

I haven't played it, but doesn't Fuuka use her persona outside the TV world in the first Arena? She also summoned it in one of drama C Ds to track down a small animal. I also think Rise summoned hers at one point in real world, but my memory of P4 is amalgamation of different canons (games, manga and anime), so I can't remember when or where. I think it was during her SL, maybe...

That was probably PQ but , That's taking place in a copy of Yasogami in the collective unconscious. Rise didn't know this at the time, though.

Oh yeah, I think it was mentioned at the end of Aigis' route (and probably others, but Aigis is the only P3 route I've played) that Fuuka was in the real world but sensing things in the TV world.

SEES had to force them out, and the Investigation Team had to confront their shadows, while the cast of P1 and 2 were granted them directly by Philemon. Maybe the latter method makes it easier to summon them and with time the casts of P3 and 4 can do it in the real world.

Persona 4 Arena has Mitsuru's execution as her instant kill.