I've already been accused of groupthink, despite truly believing what I say and what I like. I feel that I came to my own opinions fairly and independently, but if they're effectively identical to what you call "groupthink", what difference does it make?
Okay, let's make one thing clear, I'm not accusing you of having groupthink, so I'm not sure where you're getting that impression from.
If your reasons are valid, then that's good enough for you. If other people think that way, regardless of whether it's because they've independently reached the same conclusions or because it's simply easier of them to do so.
Hell, I could be accused just as easily of groupthink, because I'm just "part of that bandwagon that hates the anime" or "part of that bandwagon that will never be happy with it", even though my complaints stem from the repetitive nature of the episodes (although that's certainly a part of it...) but rather the fact that they could have done something better with them.
If you think I've missed the point, then you know what, point it out. Maybe you'll change my mind. I'm not being sarcastic about that either, if you raise some valid points then maybe I'll change my mind. But saying that you're being ostracized or martyred over it doesn't help. If you honestly think that I've been doing it to you, then I apologize, because I don't want to pigeonhole anyone, but at the same time I have as much right to vent my frustration as you do your adulation. and whether that makes either of us part of a group is besides the point, being part of groupthink doesn't matter, if you actually have valid reasons for falling into the rationalization of that camp.
Somewhere, Kyo Ani, Nagaru Tanigawa, and The Patriots are all sitting around, guzzling champagne, and laughing at us all while their Metal Gears dance the Hare Hare Yukai in the background.
Random thought: There're gonna be 8 Endless Eights. I don't think they'll stop on four, certainly.
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Well if people remember how the novels were chronologically set... The only new stories would be in order, Bamboo Leaf Raphsody, Endless Eight, Sighs, and THEN Dissappearence. 14 episode anime... four episodes for the Endless Episode, and one for Bamboo Leaf Raphsody would leave 9 for both Sighs and Dissappearence. Easy enough to give Sighs 4 episodes and Dissappearence 5 episodes, plus using Dissappearence in this way probably makes for a nifty climax for Season 2.
edited 3rd Jul '09 12:59:47 AM by GameGuruGG
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Well if people remember how the novels were chronologically set... The only new stories would be in order, Bamboo Leaf Raphsody, Endless Eight, Sighs, and THEN Dissappearence. 14 episode anime... four episodes for the Endless Episode, and one for Bamboo Leaf Raphsody would leave 9 for both Sighs and Dissappearence. Easy enough to give Sighs 4 episodes and Dissappearence 5 episodes, plus using Dissappearence in this way probably makes for a nifty climax for Season 2. There goes Snow Mountain Syndrome then. :((
I don't think they'll give Sighs that many episodes. I think they'd give it no more than two or three at most.
Hahaha.
On a related note, It's still bugging me that I watched it chronologically on the first view, so I can't say anything about if the Anachronic Order is good or bad. I know many people who like the Anachronic Order say it's interesting to combine facts from different episodes and you get the "AHA, so THAT'S why!" effect because you understand the reason for previous events later.
People are already claiming this is a genius thing to do. Supposedly, it gives the audience an impression of what Yuki feels, doing all those time loops. Or people just found that troll move to be hilarious. Meh. I'm not sure if those people have read the novels, but those who have are probably raging quite a bit, because Endless Eight really isn't something you should use 4 episodes for. There are a lot great stories waiting to be animated who are much better than Endless Eight. *cough* Disappearance *cough*.
Me personally, as good as the laughs I had from watching all the rage flow or "KYOANI! YOU ARE GOD LEVEL TROLLS! 15498/10", I can't help but feel a little down about it. :(
edited 3rd Jul '09 4:27:16 AM by Smokie
Grahf, I wasn't replying to you as such, but THX. Partly because of the criticism of "the fandom" (which would include me in the splash damage) here, and partly because of the pointing-and-laughing back in the Anachronism thread.
Actually, I prefer the anime's way of doing Endless Eight, so long as they finish it either in the coming episode or the one after. The reason I find this superior is because the Light Novel only went through one iteration of the day (the 15,498th), while this goes through multiple.
Grahf, I wasn't replying to you as such, but THX. Partly because of the criticism of "the fandom" (which would include me in the splash damage) here, and partly because of the pointing-and-laughing back in the Anachronism thread. Ugh. Grahf pretty much took the words out of my mouth so do with that what you will.
You know for as much of a contrarian I am and as much as I like to see conflict and debate, this animu and all of the strife it entails is really starting to wear thin on me. I feel like watching something that doesn't make the internet want to rip itself apart. Oh wait.
edited 3rd Jul '09 10:28:57 AM by THX1138
So you're surrendering to Kyo Ani? Their trollpowers are too strong? 
Surrender? More like a final judgment. They've never actually done anything I've liked and Haruhi because it wasn't finished when I watched it was an open book. Season 2 has sealed the deal on the verdict: Not Worth My Time.
(weaving)
I don't watch this show, but I like the discussion of it, because it's so interesting. And I'm laughing at the idea that an anime creator would actually have multiple episodes of the same thing.
SHIKI is dead.
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There goes Snow Mountain Syndrome then. :((Oh, shush... Snow Mountain Syndrome will probably not be animated until they do Disassociation, because of it being needed for the backstory essentially. Like how Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody was saved until Season 2, since it's needed for the backstory of Disappearance.
Sighs could be shorter, but Disappearance feels like it's going to be the climax. Before Disappearance is when the Season 1 episodes chronologically end. Besides, if any stories after Disappearance appears, it will be "Charmed at First Sight LOVER" and "Where Did the Cat Go?" and MAYBE the Intrigues Prologue. I'd be surprised if Snow Mountain Syndrome appeared. Besides, I figure they need all the short stories they can to pad out Intrigues, because they are likely going to combine Disassociation and the unrealeased tenth book.
But personally, I prefer the books.
edited 3rd Jul '09 11:36:19 PM by GameGuruGG
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Did anyone notice there were more repetitions (well, one more) in the anime than in the book. Kyoto's just milking this.
Yes, we are all well aware. Some of us aren't bothered by it in the least.
And the argument of a page ago begins again. Hmm...suspicious...
Did anyone notice there were more repetitions (well, one more) in the anime than in the book.Yeah, but it's not just one more; you'll find that there are at least three more, including the fourth Endless Eight. The light novel only detailed the 15,498th repeat, and ended it there.
In fact, I've already mentioned this half a page ago.
edited 4th Jul '09 12:50:50 AM by Sabbo
Somehow, I feel like I said this once already.
edited 4th Jul '09 2:27:25 AM by Smokie
If you continue this for 15,498 iterations, I think Fast Eddie will have objections.
Someone linked this for me a few days ago. Don't bother counting; there are 15,498 episodes in the list.
I'm glad you feel that way. It doesn't stop me from feeling that what they're pulling with this is an unmitigated crock of shit that is taking time away from more important and enjoyable aspects of the series. Yes, the effect of looping the thing is maddening, they proved that with the second episode, and then the third episode, and what's no doubt going to be the fourth episode. But enough already.
Everyone is working under the scope that there's only going to be 14 new episodes, and with Disappearance still to be done it's getting ridiculous when you think that nearly a third - or, here's a delightful thought, even more than that - is devoted to something that took one story in one of the books. They don't have infinite time or infinite resources, so using them for this is, in my assertion, unacceptable.
Like I said before, I'm sure that people will argue after the fact that this was a wholly brilliant thing to do, especially if it turns out to be some sort of "Gotcha" moment and the season is longer than everyone expects. But even then, I can say that I'll still feel the same way about these three episodes that I do now. Being a fan is not a ticket for the wholesale bullshit that this has been, and if that somehow makes me less of a fan, then so be it, I'm not even inclined to care anymore.