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I am not really sure what The Dragon Dentist is saying, but the Kubrick scene was pretty.

They still got Haikyuu, Food Wars, and My Hero Academia at least.

Jump's expectations aren't exactly unrealistic— They use a ranking system and drop the least popular series every few months. Most things don't last long because they have to be more popular than established series to survive

I mean, it's generally been a thing that super-long running shows just aren't the fashion anymore, aside from stuff squarely aimed at kids and old stuff that never ended. But, y'know, shows that actually felt like they needed to be that long were always pretty few and far between.

Jump, then, can be read as reacting to the trend- the fact that One Piece is only currently running manga^note Well, there's also Hunter X Hunter, but y'know. in there that started before 2012 is a very recent development, with old guard titles like Naruto, Bleach, Gintama and Kochikame ending quite recently.

I thought Gintama wasn't actually over yet?

But yes, Jump is notoriously cutthroat.

After giving it some thought, I think the overall message was intended to be "Everyone dies eventually, but that's no reason not to cherish what life you have (and, thus, killing each other is pretty stupid)", but it's kind of hard to be sure, with how confused the narrative could be

@Jump: Not that it isn't par for the course. In a sense, all weekly mangazines are a neverending hell of deadlines and rewrites and deadlines you can only game when your name is established (See: Togashi, Morikawa)

I hate Jump as an institution, but I think they are trucking along well with new blood. Hero Academia and Haikyuu is all the fresh new moneymaker they'll ever need for quite some time. Haikyuu alone is all the moneymaker anyone ever needs.

edited 26th Feb '17 4:35:14 AM by mrsunshinesprinkles

I'd like to think that Jump meat grinder policy at last results in the best series thriving, but looking at the list, it's just as often seems completely random.

Doesn't always result in the best thriving, but I'm reasonably sure a lot of the really bad manga get weeded out. They even put Bleach to rest recently. I will never forgive JUMP for their slights against the likes of Mx0 and Psyren though.

Samon the Summoner is also a good mid-tier read in my book, and several of JUMP's new series are promising, or at least better than the last several offerings.

Marq: You clearly don't know me well enough, Marq.

Current conversation: Honestly, I think Jump kinda shoots itself in the foot like that. They end up cutting a lot of series that could be interesting before they reached their full potential.

in other words, WSJ is network television. Or DC comics, for that matter. A lot of media are quite cutthroat like that.

whatever positive points the weeding may bring, they knocked Ole Golazo out before it got going, and therefore it's objectively not working.

A bit worse in that deadlines and crunch time are even more of a nightmare since everything is on one guy+ the borderline suicidal Japanese work culture.

edited 26th Feb '17 6:45:22 AM by mrsunshinesprinkles

They also overshoot and keep series going on for longer than they probably should have. It's a flawed system, but then they're a business and they follow where the money is. Unfortunately, for some stories, interesting is not the same as marketable. And audiences are fickle enough to not give stuff a lot of leeway.

Yeah, Ole Golazo was pretty good and honestly it's hard to fathom why exactly it didn't catch on. Maybe the author can do a tae kwon do thing instead hint hint

Honestly, learning all the drama surrounding the ending of Bleach gave me a newfound respect for all the manga creators. Like, it's easy to dump on a manga as an end product, but the amount of hell that creators go through to keep the gravy train rolling is impressive, especially over a decade in cases like One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach.

I am now a lot more aware of how things are than I ever was a few years ago, the manga industry is hard enough as it is and many things need to change in order to makes things easier for the mangaka.

Most of the questionable or downright awful creative decisions you see in manga and then in their anime adaptations are purely due to the horrible Japanese manga magazine business. We kept hearing that Kubo made a lot of the eyebrow-raising plot points "because of his editor" or "because of his publisher". A lot of new characters will appear one after the other because the magazine just wants to sell more collectible figures!

I'm not super knowledgeable about this but I think niche seinen magazines are about the only place where you're gonna be afforded significant creative freedom and any chance of not being cut immediately if you're not performing, since they're not expected to sell a whole bunch anyways. Even then I have a distinct hunch some creators are probably pressured to include racier and edgier elements to sell in some of the more mainstream magazines, but I don't have any sources to corroborate that.

It should be kept in mind that Jump is very much an extreme. Even the other weekly shounen mags aren't anywhere near as cutthroat as it is. Do not take things involving it as the standard

True. But Fairy Tail is NOT a JUMP manga, so a lot of the standards from JUMP are also common in other magazines.

What was the controversy about the end of bleach? Was it him telling us that stuff about the editors and publishers or was there more?

@kyun I'd take that issue with Kubo with a grain of salt, since the plot points his editors "forced" on him might actually have been better than what his artistic vision dictated. I'm pretty sure Bleach has loads of characters because thinking up new characters is Kubo's go-to strategy when hitting a writer's block.

In fact, I'd wager editors are getting a worse rap than they deserve. There's no real way to know though without knowing what's going on behind the scenes.

Huh, how does FT figure into this discussion? I was not aware of any editorial mishaps or anything of the sort.

Tite Kubo was apparently perpetually Ill during the whole of Bleach after the Winter War Fight with Aizen was finished.

I think Mashima was told to double the amount of his Big Bads for the current arc, which led to...more anticlimaxes than usual.

The controversies of Bleach's ending are rather involved. It would take me time I do not have to describe them all here right now.

edited 27th Feb '17 7:34:49 AM by kyun

Bleach has wrapped up? Was that the authour's decision or a company decision?