Neon Genesis Evangelion

Unexplained. She might have gotten it from her last scene in 2.0 but for all we know, it might be something she encountered during the Time Skip. Whether she still has the eye is unknown - but there is something underneath that reacts to a strong emotional state.

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Mana isn't motivated by despair either. She's merely blackmailed.

edited 24th Feb '15 1:12:29 PM by amitakartok

Of all the kids, Kowarou was the closest to being stable, and was even a positive influence to those around him. Unfortunately, he is now chunky salsa.

Not even being chunky salsa stops Kaworu from being alive in some form.

Unfortunately Shinji's mind is not capable of handling that, especially when he sees the salsa and his dad getting chips to dip in it.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Being forced to kill his only friend doesn't help matters especially when said friend manipulated into him into doing so.

"Eratoeir is a Gangsta."

Kaworu does have his crap together for an Evaverse teen - but then again, he's also the self-aware Angel of free will, Tabris. He's got everything together because he hasn't gone through what the pilots have.

Still, chill enough dude.

Except Manga Kaworu, who comes off as awkward, and killed a kitten as a Mercy Kill then tossed the body, and had a tsundere style relationship with his Shinji.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

You raise a valid and interesting point.

I remember before 3.0 came out - I was reading through the Rebuild WMG page, and I found a really interesting one about Mari. This is in 2012, mind you - the only glimpses of Mari being her limited role in 2.22.

The idea was that somehow, Mari was Shinji's child from the future. The primary evidence, and pretty much the only detail that still sticks out in my head, is Shinji's SDAT. In 2.22, it goes past track 26 and plays a 27th track at one point, prompting Shinji to comment on the oddity of the situation. The thing is, the scene where this happens is the first SDAT scene after Mari crash-lands on top of Shinji on the school roof, where she picks up his SDAT which went flying after her collision and hands it to him.

I believe the idea was that the SDAT Mari gave Shinji was the same SDAT Shinji got off Gendo, and that he'd given it to Mari sometime in the future. When Mari knocked into Shinji on that roof, she gave him the future SDAT with the 27th track.

It all sounds really farfetched, and it's probably been Jossed hardcore by 3.0, but I still think that's an interesting way to think about the SDAT's extra track. I also find it kind of funny imagining Shinji discovering that he's a father to an Ax-Crazy Blood Knight who's more or less as old as he is (in 2.22, anyway).

Actually, if Mari's chapter in the manga is the same as her past in Rebuild, then she is 50 during 3.0. Mari could very well be the oldest person on the planet by the end of Final.

edited 25th Feb '15 1:25:59 AM by TheAirman

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Evil Manga Kaworu :V

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Manga Kaworu is my only complaint about the manga's changes. I think I expressed my point well here.

Sadamoto went with a completely believable re-imagining of Kaworu but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

I don't know - I doubt Rebuild!Mari is the same as Manga!Mari. I can't say that I've actually seen Manga!Mari yet, so I guess I can't really talk, but I'd say that the beginning of 2.22 establishes that she's not an adult yet.

I remember both Kaji and Mari saying something like "It's a shame that we have to use these kids to get what we want" and "It's a real shame that I have to use these adults to get what I want", respectively.

Rebuild!Mari only features in a single bonus chapter that takes place during Yui's time in college. It was linked to here a couple of months ago along with a translation attempt.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Yeah, I heard about that. I doubt she has the same origin in Rebuild, though.

And said origin is what, exactly? Heck, the only thing we know about Manga!Mari's backstory is that she was born a Child Prodigy, because she's still 14/15 while being more or less Yui's academic peer.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Well, for Mari to have gone to university with Yui, at 14-15 regardless, that would mean that come Rebuild 2.22, she could be anywhere between 30 and 36, maybe a bit older depending on when the flashback occurs and when Yui decides to have Shinji. Maybe she's been kept in stasis, that's always a factor I guess, but at the same time she would definitely not be around Shinji's age.

Like I said - start of 2.22, Kaji muses to himself that "it's a shame to have these kids do our dirty work for us", and Mari expresses a similar sentiment about using adults. I won't claim the rarely-used fanon "only traumatised children can use the Evas" or anything like that because I know that Unit 02 is still operating in some capacity at the start of 3, but due to her stature alone I wouldn't say that she'd even be 17 yet. Has she aged at all in 3? If not, maybe something's up.

I could be wrong, but I doubt that Mari - in the Rebuild timeline - went to college with Yui at 14-15, got her training by the UN or what have you, and managed to find a way to look close to Shinji's age in 2015 when she'd have to be in her 30's.

I'm not trying to come across as aggressive about this point, if that's what it looks like.

edited 25th Feb '15 10:31:13 PM by MrMallard

The answer's simple: Curse of Eva.

She was likely involved in the development of Eva's so she was likely changed as a result.

Shinji's mom got bizarre wings and a halo from the Eva experiments before she didn't come out of Unit-01. So Mari can likely regress to a young girl again.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

I really hope that this whole Curse of Eva nonsense gets a god explanation in the next film. Cause from what I can see, it is basically just an excuse to keep the pilots young for the sake of merchandise.

The explanation is simple: Evangelion/LCL bullshit.

There all the explanation it needs. I don't need it to be explained. Just like Yui's wings and halo are likely the result of Eva bs.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

I guess that's because since the Eva's contain the souls of the mothers, they want their children to remain children, symbolic of how parents must learn to let their kids go. And since the LCL is basically amniotic fluid, them being constantly submerged in it symbolizes that they have stayed in the womb for so long, that they are essentially the same as when they were in there mother's womb, thus they will remain physically young forever or something.

Yeah, this whole Curse of Eva is absolutely stupid.

Its stupid, but its what I was getting at with her being 50 in 3.33. I read the last manga volume the other week, and Mari's chapter took place in 1995, she was 16, and it was immediately before she went off to England to work on something obviously Eva related. assuming Second Impact still occurs in 2000, and Shinji is born in 2001, then the math adds up to her being 49-51. Add in the picture Fuyu showed Shinji that has someone who looks kinda like Mari and the Curse of Eva, and we have prime WMG material.

edited 26th Feb '15 12:04:12 PM by TheAirman

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AHEM! I think you mean "Second Impact" there.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Yes I did, thank you for catching that!

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My own little logic line is that, once someone has been deconstructed in LCL and then has their AT field reestablish and they are reconstituted, they just aren't human anymore and all bets are off on how biology applies to them.

Well, it is certainly possible for them to end up Not Quite Human in the process of reconstitution, but I don't believe it's that likely.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Its a personal thing. I don't expect it to even be right in the end. Its more a logical placeholder for what actually applies.

Way I see it, though, is that humans can't do that. A human's AT field is strong enough to maintain their form and nothing else. Being able to completely reconstruct themselves implies, to me, that a fundamental change has taken place. They look human because that's the form they see themselves as. They act human because, mentally, they are. They just aren't 100% phisiologically human anymore because they've been reconstructed around an idea, their self definition, and little else.

Again, I expect, if this is ever elaborated upon, none of that will be accurate. It just fills a gap for me that I'd rather have filled than left asking.