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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#7301: Aug 30th 2014 at 10:31:46 PM

Eva is steeped in the End of History mentality that permeated the 1990s. After the Cold War was declared over, everyone descended into triviality or ennui about the future. All the great achievements had been made and all the great wars fought, and the subtle realization that humanity will eventually go extinct and all evidence of our existence wiped out by the death of the Sun started to crawl around in the back of people's minds.

Yui's focus on the extreme long term is a reflection of that, and the series criticizes her for destroying her family over something that is ultimately irrelevant. When she leaves at the end she's not making some grand sacrifice, she's retreating into a fantasy world to leave Shinji and his generation to the harsh world that she's devastated, much like the parents of Gen X/Y/Millenials devastated the world with their nine mile per gallon cars, wars, and economic exploitation and criticize the younger generations for not overcoming problems the older generation created.

What do you think of this?

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Formerly G.G.
#7303: Aug 31st 2014 at 2:19:36 AM

In Evageeks.

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MrMallard wak from Australia, mate Since: Oct, 2010
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#7304: Aug 31st 2014 at 2:57:38 AM

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Formerly G.G.
#7305: Aug 31st 2014 at 3:31:52 AM

Still wht do you make of the End of the Century mentality? I think I was fortunate that I was more or less over it although it still lingers from time to time.

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#7306: Aug 31st 2014 at 7:51:09 AM

That's an interesting analogy to make . If you think about it, Yui and SEELE did sort of have that mentality in regards to their goals. Could Yui have played a part in Second Impact? All to create a permanent reminder of the human race's existence , ironically at the cost of the entire human race , as well as the well being of her family? And when you think of it like that , that sort of self indulgence makes a perfect analogy to how the baby boomers and Gen X frivolously consumed resources with little concern for the future , hence the 80's creed 'greed is good ', and then dared to call the next generation the 'Me Generation'.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#7307: Sep 1st 2014 at 7:02:29 AM

You know, if this interpretation holds water, then it may serve as an excellent way of portraying Yui in a(n anti)villainous light while staying within the boundaries of canon.

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edited 1st Sep '14 7:04:03 AM by MarqFJA

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#7308: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:26:36 PM

From this thread.

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DS9guy Since: Jan, 2001
#7309: Sep 20th 2014 at 11:37:54 AM

I wonder if hearing Kotono Mitsuishi (aka Sailor Moon) as alcoholic, sex crazy Misato was off putting for some viewers, like hearing Megumi Hayashibara as the stoic Rei.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#7310: Sep 20th 2014 at 12:03:39 PM

Is is going agianst the type for both actresses as Megumi ususally pays more upbeat characters

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#7311: Sep 20th 2014 at 1:23:21 PM

Ms. Hayashibara's resume is a lot more diverse than you think. She is not a Woman of a Thousand Voices for nothing.

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johnnysasaki Since: Jun, 2012
#7312: Sep 21st 2014 at 5:03:41 PM

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apparently,Anno has said once he casted her on Misato exactly because she's pretty much Usagi if she became an unhappy adult.

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#7314: Sep 30th 2014 at 9:16:25 AM

AT Fields, son.

Any other effort to explain it, including that one, falls apart when examined closely unless the EVA have the density of cigarette smoke.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#7315: Oct 2nd 2014 at 7:50:12 PM

Found out something funny about Asuka's middle name, "Langley". It apparently has two separate etymologies — British and American. The fun part concerns the latter: It's an Americanization of Langlois, which in turn is a variant spelling of Langlais, which is a French surname meaning... "the Englishman".

Don't get it yet? Well, put that and the nationality of a certain character that she frequently "interacts" with in the third part of Rebuild Of Evangelion together.

Bet she'd blow a fuse if she found this out.

edited 2nd Oct '14 7:51:21 PM by MarqFJA

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#7316: Oct 2nd 2014 at 8:40:07 PM

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edited 2nd Oct '14 8:42:34 PM by TheAirman

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LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#7317: Oct 2nd 2014 at 9:06:41 PM

Erm, the brain dead idiot that is me doesn't get it. Care to explain?

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#7318: Oct 3rd 2014 at 3:51:50 AM

[up]"Englishman" can often refer to British people.

Mari is British.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#7319: Oct 3rd 2014 at 4:58:58 PM

Exactly.

On a non-Rebuild note, I read somewhere that Keel Lorenz's given name is apparently spelled as "Kihl" in the Japanese director's cut of Episode 21. Is that true?

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LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#7320: Oct 4th 2014 at 12:14:20 AM

Not sure.

You know, at the risk of incurring the wrath of many fans, I can't help but feel that this show hasn't exactly aged all that well. After having seen shows that have either expanded upon its ideas and philosophies, or have refuted everything that it stated (culminating with Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann), I can't really look back on this show and say that it is still as relevant as it was back in the 90s. Not to mention that having matured since I first saw it, I also feel that the messages that it has imparted don't really strike me as much, as I find that they are rather flawed, which again, several shows have pointed out.

For that matter, I'm not quite sure if Anno himself realizes this, considering that he once said that "there hasn't been an anime that's newer than Eva", hence why he decided to create Rebuild. I hoped that he was trying to go back and reconstruct the series, which the first two films seemed to do, but then he went right back to the original's themes and ideas. This wouldn't bother me so much if it didn't play it all up like it was just as revolutionary as it was back in 1995. Again, it just doesn't do it for me after seeing so many similar shows.

Am I making sense.

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#7321: Oct 4th 2014 at 12:20:53 AM

I wouldn't really say that TTGL refuted anything NGE said. if NGE is uncomprosingly cynical and dark, TTGL just does the opposite in an unrealistic optimism.

i also don't really see a problem with eva's messages. at its core, what i took out of it was a character exploration of several individuals with crippling mental issues, and how most of the conflicts in the entire thing were just a result of them being afraid and hurting each other. if they could just reach one another, even for a moment, they could be happy, but they can't. that's the tragedy of eva.

is evangelion not as relevant anymore? i wouldn't say so, if only for the fact that its influence can still be felt even today. it's not without its flaws, but i would still say it's a good show if you ignore the tv ending and consider Eo E the true ending.

of course i am pretty biased since i strongly identify with the show's themes of social anxiety, depression, loneliness, and despair and as a result love pretty much the entire cast, even shinji, who is probably the anime/manga protag I identify the most with outside of the MC from Oyasumi Punpun.

edited 4th Oct '14 12:23:31 AM by wehrmacht

AfroWarrior27 Since: Jul, 2013
#7322: Oct 4th 2014 at 1:03:29 AM

You really can't compare Gurren Lagann and Evangelion because those shows are literally Day & Night in regards to everything.

And I don't know about relevant, the series is still a massive icon in Japan, and I feel the show age pretty well I say this as a person who watch the entire show for the first time back in the Summer of 2013.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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#7323: Oct 4th 2014 at 3:00:24 AM

I am not a philosopher but as most on Evasgeeks points, it is somewhat inconsistent in its own philosophy but it works for the series.

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Crinias from The Bleak Academy Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
#7324: Oct 4th 2014 at 8:09:27 AM

if NGE is uncompromisingly cynical and dark, TTGL just does the opposite in an unrealistic optimism.
Eva isn't uncompromisingly cynical and dark. It has some idealism - it speaks of the possibility that if people could overcome their shortcomings, be honest with themselves and the like, they could achieve happiness. By contrast, TTGL has some cynicism here and there, too. It's not all white or black.

I'd say Eva has aged well. Its themes and messages still resonate with people, and although animation quality has improved massively in years since it came out, it's still very entertaining to watch.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#7325: Oct 4th 2014 at 9:10:32 AM

Yeah I read somewhere that Anime seems to have gotten a lot better since they switched to digital animation . It seems to make sense since during the past decade the popularity of anime has soared- though that may also be due to Adult Swim...


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