Venonat isn't a caterpillar though.
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... well, I have no idea what I said beyond just personally disapproving the Venonat was supposed to evolve into Butterfree theory.
Opponent saved it, might as well just showcase me... making dumb mistakes.
Tapu Bulu is good though.
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You're lying to yourself if you seriously think butterfree doesn't look more like a natural progression to Venonat than Venomoth does.
TBH yeah, Venonat looks exactly like Butterfree's head with arms and legs.
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I love the idea of a Dragonite regional variant that looks more like Dratini and Dragonair. It could be Dragon/Water, or maybe Dragon/Fairy.
...I actually drew something like that a year or two back, but I don’t feel like finding it now.
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I think I recall hearing somewhere that the Venomnat/Venomoth lines and the Caterpie/Metapod/Butterfree lines got a little mixed up somewhere. That might explain Butterfree looking like it should be Venomnat's evo.
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Butterfree absolutely does not look like it would evolve from Venonat, because butterflies come from caterpillars, silly.
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That's just a fan theory.
Like my theory that Burmy -> Mothim was going to be a male counterpart to Combee -> Vespiquen, but then they added Wormadam later in development.
Of course, a gnat becoming a moth is just as nonsensical.
edited 23rd Jun '18 5:11:16 PM by Anomalocaris20
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Mothim/Wormadam was always like that, I'm sure. They're bagworms.
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I'm pretty sure he actually meant he believes Mothim and Vespiquen were supposed to act like what Nidoking and Nidoqueen do, not its opposite gender form.
This is going to be so much fun.
I've always wondered if there was official word with regards to the fan-assumed "venomoth/butterfree" switch like how "Ditto isn't Mew's failed clone"
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, What I meant is that I think the Burmy line was originally just going to be Burmy and Mothim, with only males evolving at all, just like how only female Combee evolve into Vespiquen, but then they added in the whole bagworm gimmick and gave it a female evolution in Wormadam that puts said gimmick to good use.
They were both honey tree prizes, after all, so they have that in common.
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I don't see how you could 'add in' the 'bagworm gimmick' when being a bagworm is literally the only thing Burmy has. You can't have Burmy without being a bagworm, since there's nothing to Burmy aside from being a bagworm.
It's like trying to have Butterfree without the 'butterfly gimmick' or Meowth without the 'cat gimmick'.
edited 23rd Jun '18 7:25:21 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
I meant the different coat flavors.
The bagworm gimmick of sticking things around itself, not the bagworm gimmick of being a bagworm.
But I think you knew that.
edited 23rd Jun '18 8:02:59 PM by Anomalocaris20
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Why is Kyurem-B good in Doubles when its only spread move is Icy Wind?
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That's the one with Assault Vest.
That's not the point I was trying to make.
All of its usable moves are single-target moves, so why is it good in Doubles?
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Icy Wind is chosen for lowering the opponents' speed, not for its power. That's something that a doubles player would refer it as speed control.
edited 24th Jun '18 5:14:09 PM by HeatEdgeSword
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Tons of popular Pokemon hit single-target too. Kangaskhan, Incineroar, Tapu Fini. As long as you pick up a KO, and/or support your team, you're good.
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Ok but why is something like Kyurem-B viable but, say, Dragonite is not?
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Multiscale, the main reason to use Dragonite over Salamence, isn't nearly as good in an environment where you can be double-targeted.
edited 24th Jun '18 11:41:50 AM by Anura
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Dragonite's STAB are mostly useless. Kyurem has higher stats too.
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Dragonite's just not meant for doubles. It doesn't have a good secondary STAB like Garchomp/Mega Mence and Multiscale doesn't do much.
Kyurem-B works because it can fall back on its high Special Attack to not be Intimidate bait. Sub sets are also fun.
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Caterpillar doesn't have anything in common with Butterfly, which the former can become. Scatterbug has more in common with Spewpa than Vivillon. I feel like a caterpillar should look different to their butterfly counterpart, not the other way around.
Also, the index number suggests that Caterpie, Metapod, and Butterfree were added at the same time. Venonat was added before the Caterpie line and Venomoth was added after all of them.
edited 23rd Jun '18 5:06:02 AM by HeatEdgeSword