Sid Meier's Civilization Series (Main Titles)

While I said earlier I didn't like Gandhi being India's leader, this does seem like a great execution of his abilities, so they deserve props for that. So many people like to play civ as a peaceful builder that its nice to have a civ centred around that playstyle.

I'm the peaceful player

wars are bad for bussiness,plus I suck at winning wars of aggression

I won all my games in Civ 5 by just outlasting errybody and beating them in some key metrics.

I'm not sure I'm getting 6 though. I only really started playing 5 recently, and I'm still not yet mastering the kinds of victories I want to achieve.

Based on past histories of the civ franchise, Civ 5 + expansions will still be a better game for a year than Civ 6, anyways.

I'm mostly just wondering how practical it is to maintain multiple religions in your cities.

It seems a tad ironic to name religious diversity as a benefit for India considering that Gandhi was killed by a Hindu nationalist who thought he was too accomodating to Muslim Indians.

Oh its definitely historically questionable.

Unless that is Gandhi's Unique Ability.

They said each ruler gets there own unique ability in addition to there Civilization's ability.

I could be interpreting it wrong.

edited 30th Aug '16 12:02:24 PM by Halberdier17

Leader abilities are distinct from Civ abilities I can't recall exactly how they were divided up this time, but traditionally there are 2 leader abilities and 2 civ abilities. Given that Ghandi is definitely not associated with elephants or architecture...

And, well, it's just an empirical fact that India is home to a ton of different religions.

edited 30th Aug '16 12:02:34 PM by Clarste

True, but is that a design or a historical accident?

In either case, the bonus for having more religions in your city is India's not Gandhi's.

Yeah, in these vids they've been very careful to refer to some abilities as [X Leader]'s ability and others as [X Nation]'s ability.

edited 30th Aug '16 12:38:25 PM by KnownUnknown

I'm pretty sure less than 1% of historical anything is by design. Certainly not the traits selected to represent civilizations.

History isn't, and never has been, something anyone "planned".

edited 30th Aug '16 12:53:24 PM by Clarste

I think Gandhi's trait is the pacifism one.

My last two games of Civ 5 have been won via overwhelming charges of Winged Hussars. Except when I used to tanks to unexpectedly blitz Germany into utter desolation in 5 turns (because the irony of Poland fistfucking Germany with an armored blitz is awesome)

The closest I ever came to getting a domination victory was during my last game with Korea, where I planned to finally play them correctly and hone my ability to do defensive science, but picked a random planet that turned out to be full of islands.

I figured I'd just build a few Turtle Ships to keeps invaders from getting too familiar with my territory. Then I witnessed one Turtle Ship wipe out one of my current enemy's more powerful cities essentially by itself.

And then I felt the pull to the dark side. I had a vision of an fleet of Turtle Ships sweeping through the world, crippling all threats to my power... especially given that Alexander was in the game, and posed a sizable threat to my victory plans by mere existence. But... then my computer screwed up and I was forced to ditch the game.

edited 31st Aug '16 12:09:53 AM by KnownUnknown

It's kinda similar to Samatar from CIV:BE with a more religious bent, huh? I hope Shaka also follows him or at least he appears in the expansion.

Not being able to build Holy Site districts, and therefore any kind of faith producing building, is a pretty huge thing. I feel like that approaches Civ V Venice in terms of game-changing paradigm shifts. A strongly religious Civ that can't produce its own Faith?

I find interesting Japan's never been repped by any of the actual Emperors or Empresses. It's always been the Warring States and Shogunate-era power-behind-the-throne guys.

edited 3rd Sep '16 7:41:07 PM by HamburgerTime

Not only that but this supposedly denies him of religious victory. That's even worse than Venice who at least still has a chance on each victory type

Japan's never really been ruled by an actual emperor either. Before the shogunate was the regency, etc etc.

IIRC that goes all the way back to this guy, the first Shogun (as we'd recognize the title, anyway):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minamoto_no_Yoritomo

No, it started centuries before the Shogunate. The Fujiwara regency controlled a puppet emperor for centuries by making sure the emperor always married Fujiwara daughters, and therefore the next emperor would always owe filial loyalty to the Fujiwara patriarchs who actually ran the country. And before that was the Soga, etc etc. The Emperors of Japan haven't had real political power for almost as far back as we have reliable historical accounts of them.

Somone's actually got a video up with a full list of leaders which gives a hint as to the civs in the game. Including ones that have not yet been announced. Not these are only leader names and don't cover stuff like attributes or unique units, abilities, improvements etc. Also some of the leaders referred to as unreleased in that video have since been announced.

Spoilers for those who don't want to know.

For those not yet announced with have Gilgamesh of Uruk. Rejoice you mongrels for the King of Heroes will grace your lowly presence once again. We also have Harald Hardrada meaning it's time to go a-viking. There's also Peter, who I, and the linked video are both assuing is Peter the Great of Russia. Saladin is also in the list, representing the Medieval Islamic Middle East in some capacity. Also Senātus Populusque Rōmānus will be represented by Trajan, second of the Five Good Emperors.

Now I've deliberately skipped a couple of entries in that above spoiler, not counting those who've already been released and for a specific reason that I think is worth making a separate point. The last two leaders (for a total of 19) are both Greek. Gorgo, Queen of Sparta and wife of Leonidas II. The other is Pericles, the great Statesman of Athens's golden age and general during the opening phases of the Peloponnesian Wars. Meaning either Sparta and Athens will be two different civilisations and you really can re-enact the Peloponnesian Wars. Or Greece at least is going to have two leaders, which opens the way for other Civs to get alternate leaders with DLC and expansion packs. Given that for all their differences and infighting, the Greek city-states did recognise certain commonalities of language and culture the alternate leaders seems more likely to me. Especially they way the dev team has been playing up leader traits instead of just unique civilisation traits.

@Kongo w/o holy sites: I don't think they will be weak. Sure, they can't found a religion, but they will excel at spreading whichever religion they prefer. And more importantly they will get the founder belief (which is usually a pretty big deal - Tithe, Papal Primacy...) for free. They will just have to be smart to get the religion they want.

Their unit looks really useful too. That's a Mohawk Warrior with a defence bonus against ranged.