Do we know if wights have any memory of their former life or are they just mindless zombies? If the latter then I think having a wight POV would be interesting.
They seem to have knowledge if not emotions. That wright from the Watch seemed to know the location of the Lord Commander's tower, and who to kill. But I doubt they have any will and emotion.
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If Stannis is going to turn to the Others' side, I'd rather he be turned into a White Walker or stay human and marry himself into the WW's royal family or some such.
Then you'd have Night's King Stannis wrecking shit in the North and fighting the Starks (Greenseer, Bran, Lord Rickon, Sansa's Vale army, Faceless Arya, Lord-Commander Snow) and the two Targaryens duking it out with each other in the South.
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He got voodoo
He got hoodoo
He got priestess of shadow and fire!
And he's got friends on the Others' side!
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You know, Stannis might just be able to reach the level of cool Facilier had.
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I can't imagine Stannis being as good a dancer.
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He strikes me as an English Style Tango sort of person.
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I honestly see Bran as more likely to accidentally being an agent of the Great Other than Stannis willingly choosing to go anything not just.
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I'm with the theory Mel was just mistaken by associating Bran and co. with the Others. She can see things in the fire, and has some magical abilities, but on an emotional and mental level she is human and makes mistakes, and can be and has been outright wrong with her understanding of visions.
Indeed, like how she saw fire at the Blackwater but it turned out to be the wildfire that destroyed Stannis's fleet instead of King's Landing burning.
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She also saw a day that Renly leading his army and beating Stannis in front of KL but it was actually Garlan in Renly's gear beating Stannis in front of KL.
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The Night King idea fits.
George RR Martin is constantly deconstructing fantasy tropes. The rightful king, beset on all sides by usurpers and bastards who claim his birthright, falling to a Chaotic Evil race and becoming their leader would be a pretty blatant King Arthur homage.
Wasn't there a scene where the White Walkers were in a round table style setting in the show?
I'm typing out the deeper details of my King Arthur theory. I think it's a dumb theory and I could be totally offbase. But I'll eventually show everyone what I think.
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You know, I think people get a little into "desconstruting tropes" yes its true georgie does that, but he does with a point, its not like "and them everything goes to shit"(well...yeah, it also does that, but it have a point)
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So an interesting article with GRRM was real eased about how what 5 characters he wished were in. LS was one of them and this is what he said about that:
Continues Martin: “I’ve talked about Gandalf [in The Lord of the Rings], and how the impact of his death was enormous. When I was a 12-year-old kid reading The Fellowship of the Ring and ‘Fly, you fools!’ and he goes into the chasm … it was ‘Holy shit! [J.R.R. Tolkien] killed the wizard! That’s the guy who knew everything. How are they going to destroy the ring without him?’ And now the ‘kids’ have to grow up because their ‘daddy’ is dead. If Gandalf could die, anybody could die. And then just a few chapters later Boromir goes down. Those two deaths created in me the ‘anyone could die’ thing. At that point I was expecting [Tolkien] to pick off the whole Fellowship one by one. And then we also think in The Two Towers that Frodo is dead, since Shelob stung him and wrapped him up. I really bought it because he set me up with those other deaths. But then, of course, he brings Gandalf back. He’s a little strange at first, but then he’s basically the same old Gandalf. I liked the impact we got from him being gone.”
Martin’s explanation initially sounds like an argument against including Lady Stoneheart, but Martin then noted: “Lady Stoneheart is not Cateyln. I’ve tried to set it up beforehand with Beric Dondarrion and his repeated [resurrections]. There’s a brief appearance by Beric in Book One and he rides into the city and he’s this flamboyant Southern knight. That’s not that man we meet later on.”
This pretty much just cemented it in my head that GRRM only killed Jon at the end so he could twist his character.
And since GRRM confirmed in a recent convention that Robb's will is going to be resolved next book, I'm thinking GRRM figured the old Jon Snow wouldn't have accepted the crown but the new one will.
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Jon, hardass edition? I can dig it.
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So I wonder who's gonna run into the Maege Mormont and whatshisface Glover. Someone's in Stannis' camp.
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What Gurm seems to have missed out on is that Gandalf's an angel. He doesn't play by the same rules as us.
In any case, does warging into an animal after getting fatally injured count as being dead, for the purposes of Gurm's whole Pet Sematary thing? Because if not, Jon's gonna be fine.
edited 2nd Jun '15 3:16:57 PM by ElkhornTheDowntrodden
I doubt he missed it. From the perspective of the story, what Gandalf is doesn't matter. We're led to believe he's dead, but then he comes back. As far as the narrative goes, that's kind of all there is to it.
edited 2nd Jun '15 3:23:20 PM by DrDougsh
Actually, it's quite important what something/one is. Otherwise you'd be able to set someone on fire while they're underwater.
Not for the purposes of GRRM's point, it isn't. As far as the narrative goes, Gandalf the character is apparently killed off in Khazad-dum, upping the stakes by establishing that Anyone Can D Ie . Then he comes back, erasing the impact of him being gone. How he came back, and whether it makes sense or not, is totally irrelevant to the point GRRM is making.
Those of you do that play the CKII mod of this, an update just came out today. Here's the changelog
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Interesting.
But I'd still think it'd be interesting, if depressing, to see Stannis as a random, unimportant wright. It'd show how the Others don't care who you are: as soon as you're dead they'd use you as part of their army. The Others defeat and kill him, and see him as nothing more than someone who can kill more people for them, and raise him like they raised one of his soldiers.
It'd be surprised if none of the sympathetic (or at least so focused on law and justice like Stan) yet important characters end up becoming wrights. Someone great reduced to what is essentially a zombie.
edited 30th May '15 7:33:16 PM by SilentColossus