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I've already said that the Starks were better than the Lannisters, but I don't think they sing songs when you fail. Like the Red Wedding might get a song. It might not be a flattering one, but I can see Walder getting one. Tywin got a song for crushing the Reyne and Tarbeck Rebellion.
I mean, look at Napoleon. He's still demonized in the Anglosphere over 200 years later.
I don't see why. He lost his war, he didn't pull a Robert.
edited 6th Sep '14 1:38:13 PM by 940131
Walter break the rules of hospitality and kill the king of the north in a wedding, in westeros sociaty it will put him in a straght complete monster territory, i dont think robb will be see as the rightfull king to the thorne, but i will be remenber as badass warrior who was never defeat if in a fight, instead being killed cowardly
edited 6th Sep '14 1:41:19 PM by unknowing
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Speaking of the Black Prince...
edited 6th Sep '14 4:08:40 PM by Druplesnubb
Well i finish clash of kings and this ser muy thoghts
To much of sansa and arya, really they hace a lot of screen time Dany crusade against the slavers feela...weird, maybe because they are downright evil Tormen is rally cute Jaimexbrienne i normal y don ship chararters but i can ser why this is happing The red wedding...meh, like The concept but i was writen so fast that i was a WTF momento for me Jofrey death was better un TVE tv show because he was a sociopath were here is more a disturbing total brat Now Tyrion killing Twin? THAT is wham moment I like stannis but i cant stand rhillor or a least that red priest Call me fanboy but i can ser that many chararters will be great in warhammer: gregor as a khrone paladÃn,oberyn-slaanesh,littlefinger-tzeecht,sangor-malal Gregor wins, Fatality!!!!
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Absolutely no relation to NLK
Unknowing, I don't mean to be rude, but you should really proofread before posting.
edited 7th Sep '14 9:03:17 AM by Ninety
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
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I... second that statement.
It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
Would that it were so simple.
That post confused me. Especially the end.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
We're all of the same mind here.
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sorry, hard to write in an android
anyway, im going to start feast of crow, if there anything i should expect from the book?
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Absolutely no relation to NLK
Long and meandering. Expect anticlimaxes and monotony.
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Also expect Myrish swamps and fat pink masts.
" I don't think they sing songs when you fail."
You know we're talking about folk music, right? If you think being a loser is enough to exclude you from being immortalised in song, you've listened to some very different folk songs than I have.
Would that it were so simple.
People get remembered, even if they fail, and considering the rapacious cruelty and corruption associated with the Lannister regime, Robb's brief ascendancy is going to be remembered well.
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Dunno. Maybe in the North and the Riverlands. The Westerlands themselves prospered under Tywin's regime. To them (the peasants), Robb was likely just an unwashed barbarian warlord from the North who came to their lands to Rape, Pillage, and Burn.
It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
Do you have any examples of people making folksongs glorifying a military commander that brutalized them and lost?
Actually, the Tywin is a good rule and is remembered by some as giving the realm 20 years of peace.
Rascal King
The common people aren't going to remember the Lannister cruelty and corruption, just like they all still think Aerys was a great king. They're going to glorify whoever was the old king, and demonize the current one.
The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
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I dont think so, after all the lannister hace the IMP,the kingslayer,the incest chield....and cersei....
Yeah not good people to remenber
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Wait, did anyone really view Aerys positively? I mean, I get romanticizing Raeghar, but I'm pretty sure everyone hates Aerys,and will continue to hate Aerys. Songs need their villains, after all.
Rascal King
Some peasant dude is like "Things were so much better back in the day with the old king" and Arya or someone says "who, bob?" And he's like, "naw, Aerys"
The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
Would that it were so simple.
Dude was probably old enough to remember Aerys's non-crazy days. Eventually, though, the only people old enough to remember Aerys will be the ones who remember Aerys as the maniac who had people burned alive.
edited 9th Sep '14 5:28:23 AM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Chances are, if the mention of the names Stark, Tully or Baratheon were enough to throw you into a temper tantrum, there was little reason to dislike Aerys.
And the Martells may like him because at least he did not do anything to Elia.
They would do exactly that.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."