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sketch162000 Since: Nov, 2010
#1: Aug 21st 2011 at 3:58:46 PM

Spun off from the "End Times" thread. Do you think the U.S. has started to lurch towards it's downfall? Anything from outright ceasing to exist, major fracturing, civil war, or major reforms to our government. If so, how long do you think we will last?

I think that, unless something drastic happens, we probably will not have the same U.S., if any, by the end of the century.

Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#2: Aug 21st 2011 at 4:00:17 PM

No, but it will take a lot of reforms and progress to be quite the same.

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#3: Aug 21st 2011 at 4:09:01 PM

You double posted this topic by the way.

And no. It'll probably scale back a bit (Which is a good thing I think) but collapse? Nah.

We were pretty effing close though with the debt ceiling, I admit...

Zersk o-o from Columbia District, BNA Since: May, 2010
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#4: Aug 21st 2011 at 4:12:20 PM

I sorta doubt it.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#5: Aug 21st 2011 at 4:16:21 PM

Like Abrams tanks, we're built to last. We ain't going anywhere.

SoberIrishman Since: Oct, 2010
#7: Aug 21st 2011 at 4:37:46 PM

Can't see it happening.

MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#8: Aug 21st 2011 at 4:40:28 PM

Nah, I don't see us collapsing entirely unless something akin to World War 3 broke out, or some major apocalypse-level catastrophe happening.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#9: Aug 21st 2011 at 4:54:48 PM

It is possible.

But I doubt it.

You know... Rome did not collapse in one day.

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#10: Aug 21st 2011 at 4:57:52 PM

I think the US will still exist when I die. I do not believe it will be recognizably similar, however, in both the sense of government and culture...

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SoberIrishman Since: Oct, 2010
#11: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:00:02 PM

How do you think the culture will change?

USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
I changed accounts.
#12: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:03:56 PM

We'll probably be more liberal. Eventually—hopefully—the religious fundamentalism will die. Past that, how should I know?

That's like asking someone who was alive in the '20s what they thought the world would be like in the '90s...

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#13: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:05:23 PM

I can also see America scaling down its standard of living. Not completely, but hopefully we wont live beyond our means anymore.

USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#14: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:07:22 PM

If I had my way and the idea of "old money" ceased to exist, we'd have so much money we wouldn't know what hit us...

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Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#15: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:10:17 PM

well, the only reason why I would like to live till an old age would be seeing how all this things actually turned out.

That and the flying cars.

edited 21st Aug '11 5:11:02 PM by Baff

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#16: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:11:02 PM

and the idea of "old money" ceased to exist

"Old money" hasn't been in any significant capacity since the middle 19th century in this country. 95% of everyone who makes 1 million or more (especially more) made it in their lifetimes, not inheriting a dime.

MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#17: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:11:19 PM

I honestly hope we can either eliminate, or at the least scale way the fuck back, the political factionalism that plagues Congress.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#18: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:11:46 PM

[up][up]

citation needed

edited 21st Aug '11 5:13:00 PM by Baff

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Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#19: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:12:02 PM

The nouveau riche is the dominant breed in the States.

edited 21st Aug '11 5:12:10 PM by Erock

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#20: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:13:39 PM

"Old money" hasn't been in any significant capacity since the middle 19th century in this country. 95% of everyone who makes 1 million or more (especially more) made it in their lifetimes, not inheriting a dime.

Even the 5% is still a shitton of money, and they new money is going to leave money to their kids, no?

The US isn't poor. It just has a fairly small subset of the population with all the money. If the top—oh, what was it, 5%? 1%?—part of society can pay off the entire national debt nearly six times over, and yet we have about a 6th of the population that's at or below the poverty line, something is very wrong...

edited 21st Aug '11 5:14:31 PM by USAF713

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#21: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:13:44 PM

^^^ The Forbes 500 list to start.

edited 21st Aug '11 5:13:53 PM by MajorTom

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#22: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:14:10 PM

[up]

that is not a citation.

edited 21st Aug '11 5:14:21 PM by Baff

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#23: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:14:52 PM

^ Look it up yourself. None of the top US names on it are "old money". Not. A. One.

Baff Since: Jul, 2011
#24: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:15:50 PM

[up] lol at how you are implaying 95% of the wealth is in the top 1%

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Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#25: Aug 21st 2011 at 5:16:04 PM

@ Erock. And the nuevo pauvre are getting bigger too - former middle-class people being displaced.


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