Fallout Series: Because Arguing Never Changes

Isn't it like a series tradition for your character to die at the end of the game? That's why there's no postgame, even though that is traditional for an openworld game.

No. That's not a tradition at all.

The Vault Dweller went on to raise a family and found an entire village. The Chosen One we have less info on, but I don't think they died too early, either.

It only happened about once.

Well according to New Vegas, The Chosen One's illegitimate kid is still doing his thing.

Apparently they were going to make it an option for the main character to kill them-self at the end of Van Buren. If they chose not to, the world would be subjected to a second nuclear holocaust.

-sigh- Avellone?

As far as I'm aware Avellone has little or nothing to do with Van Buren.

i dont understand the appeal of making the player choose between playing the martyr or [insert arbitrary unrelated but somehow tagentially tied to your decision catastrophe]. its not like many people really hesitate and ponder "WHICH IS THE REAL CHOICE HMMMM" and its not like the player themselves are ever sacrificing something of actual value (with one exception in mind) and they can generally just go back and choose the other option later anyway.

...well, im even more baffled by those games that choose to go for the martyr to fix everything route without actually having the balls to go through with the sacrifice *cough*awakening*cough cough* rending the other choice completely and utterly pointless.

To be fair, you weren't really supposed to import dead Wardens to Awakening. If your Warden died, they are dead, and I imagine the Keep will reflect that for Inquisition.

Edit: Never mind, misread.

edited 24th Aug '14 7:53:35 PM by TotemicHero

not that awakening.

i completely forgot about dragon age awakening.

...you can import dead wardens?

i felt dragon age, almost to the level of nier, did the self-sacrifice thing fairly well. like most its fairly trite but A. the game is very long and getting to that point is...exhausting, and B. there are so many options for alternatives to survive and at the same time theres an understandable reason one might not want to go through with them.

edited 24th Aug '14 8:00:14 PM by Tarsen

You can. And the game completely ignores your death. But again, you really aren't meant to.

And yeah, Fire Emblem Awakening's thing was dumb.

x7 Actually, Avellone was involved in Van Buren: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Buren_%28video_game%29

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he did write it that way so he'd have an excuse to reboot the series.

Because nuking everything and making it all grimdark obviously makes for good storytelling and staying faithful to the Fallout series.

More like grimderp.

I honestly think y'all take his opinion on the state of the series too seriously. I don't agree with it either but its not something to take to heart. Make it seem like he doesn't realize that it would be stupid to do so, I mean he made Ulysses an antagonist for a reason.

You may have a point, but if Joshua Sawyer wasn't around, Avellone would have gotten his way during development of New Vegas. And the idea of grimdark for the sake of grimdark is just...yeah, not fun.

edited 25th Aug '14 2:36:06 AM by DamascaRamza

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't do it even with Sawyer there. And its not so it can be grimdark smh....

Its so the series can be more like Fallout 1/3 setting wise.

edited 25th Aug '14 3:05:59 AM by MikeBreezy92

I've had this same issue with a lot of post-apocalyptic stories. Basically, the devaluing of human life at a time when, actually, human life would be at its highest premium in millennia.

Even if you're, say, a Raider or slaver, you need places to raid and get slaves from. But, too often, raiders are portrayed as these guys who Rape, Pillage, and Burn without ANY long-term goal. Further, even if you ARE a raider or slaver band, it's even less likely that you'll casually disregard the lives of your fellows, because numbers are pretty much the ONLY thing that allows you to back up your force. That's kind of why I facepalm at the Brotherhood of Steel (and the Outcasts), who have the idea of "Everyone knows how to make another human, but not Power Armor." Well, yes, dumbass, but humans take a LOOOOOONG time to replace. And without humans, that knowledge you're hoarding is useless anyway.

While, yeah, there have been short-sighted and self-destructive bands in the past, they're waaaaay too common in these settings.

i dont recall 1 being anything like 3...

in fact, im not entirely sure the setting has changed much at all since fallout 1. its still a wasteland with tons of people and mutated wild-life out to kill you, technology seems to be pretty much the same since the start with only 3 locations i can think of (new vegas, vault city and...well its been a while but i recall the ncr area in fallout 2 being significantly less downtrodden compared to pretty much everywhere else) that are better with it, and there are still large roving bands of self-destructive seemingly omnicidal raiders everywhere, and there are still tribal villages where people try to make an honest to god start wih civilization instead of squatting in ruins....

the main difference only really seems to be the ongoing growth of various factions into big contenders, and ultimately i cant really see anything being gained from nuking everything like avelone wants. either we go back to what we already had and make everything up to this point irrelevant (not a smart move, btw) or you go one step further and turn the fallout series into the post-apoc series it never was.

if avelone is that eager for a post-apoc series he can just do a fucking prequel to right after the bombs hit; theres no need to nuke everything to reset it back to its default state, and if there was it certainly wouldnt be to bring it back to fallout 1's setting, which isnt a recently nuked area.

edited 25th Aug '14 5:20:09 AM by Tarsen

My whole point is that since it doesn't make sense to, I doubt he's actually going to want to implement it. Dude just thinks its getting too civilized and I'm pretty sure he knows there are other ways to get make a more post-apoc Fallout Game. Taking him word for word or just taking Ulysses as his de facto opinion is silly.

The funny thing is, didn't Ulysses WANT to make a new civilization?

my memory is a little hazy but...no.

he wanted to nuke the ncr as revenge for the courier destroying the place ulysses was going to call home.

im not entirely sure but i dont recall any real thought to what would come afterwards. nothing along the lines of "rebuilding" anyways.

The reason he was so attached to the Divide was because it showed such great promise to rebuild and expand.

yes, but after its destroyed he stops caring. remember, he's trying to nuke the ncr rather than just trying to build civilization anywhere else.

he's not in this for "rebuilding civilization", he's in lonesome road to tear civilization down as revenge

what he used to want, and what he currently wants are two different things.