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Except Rukia can freeze people to absolute zero, which is technically stronger than anything Toshiro has done.

edited 21st Aug '14 9:59:15 PM by Ssj3Gojira

But considerably less useful.

Also the 'drawing water from the atmosphere' trick is not to be underestimated. It means that even if you block or dodge every attack he makes, you'll die before he runs out of power. I mean, he could stop trying to kill you with ice and start killing you by just draining the water from your body.

Since when has hitsugaya ever shown draining the water out of someone? because considering his track record of only winning 3 fights loosing 4 and 3 were interrupted, that seems like a broken ability.

Also someone said earlier that hitsugaya was loosing the fight with Halibel but Aizen struck down Halibel because she was a huge disappointment which says other wise.

edited 21st Aug '14 11:07:00 PM by jman7

He hasn't. I'm saying he could learn to do that; it's not really any different from drawing water out of the atmosphere.

In that case, you can argue that Rukia could learn to spam her attack without danger for herself. Considering it is her first use of Bankai, you could even say that she has far more room than Hitsugaya for improvement.

We don't know the extent of either of their waterbending, so we shouldn't make heavy assumptions.

Also, @Arha: Ha. Fear.

Though so far Rukia's Bankai seems to make her a Glass Cannon and Fragile Speedster, though not an exaggerated version. She herself admits that's its best for her to avoid as much damage as possible.

She would have probably had a harder time against a Stern Ritter who didn't focus on psychological warfare. And focused more on direct fighting like Bazz-B.

edited 22nd Aug '14 6:20:07 AM by Archivist10

Here is what the other wiki said about what restu unohana said about ichigo power:

"Unohana doesn't believe his reasoning until Ichigo explains that the condition of his Bankai's shihakushō is able to give a clear example of how much Reiryoku he has left. Orihime had already healed him, but told him that it would take longer to replenish his Reiryoku, and since he went to help Rukia and the others, his Reiatsu never did get fully replenished."

"He then points to his sleeve that he has left and says this is how much Reiatsu he currently has at the moment. Unohana then thinks to herself that it is impossible, as there is not even half of his shihakushō left, causing her to wonder if his Reiatsu is only at half. Unohana then realizes that she must have mistakenly thought that Ichigo's Reiatsu is at full strength because it was comparable to a captain's. She then asks Ichigo to run in front while she restores his Reiatsu to full strength as they travel. Ichigo questions if she is capable of doing that while they are running to which Unohana answers by explaining how healing Kidō works and that restoring the Reiatsu once a body has physically healed is an easy task. Unohana then acknowledges to herself that if Ichigo's Reiatsu is only at half strength, then he may just be the trump card they need to defeat Aizen."

Note how she says A captain NOT a AVERAGE captain.

Also here is a link to the wiki on the hitsugaya vs luppi fight: http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Tōshirō_Hitsugaya_vs._Luppi_Antenor

Hitsugaya clearly didn't win the fight and it was a draw.

Also here is a link to the starrk vs shunsui fight: http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Shunsui_Kyōraku_vs._Coyote_Starrk:_Final_Fight

The fact that Shunsui's zanpakto is a "selfish zanpakto" and dosn't have much control over it should put him at a disadvantage, also the fact that the opponent can use his own color game ability against him, dosn't make his shikai that impressive.

edited 22nd Aug '14 12:25:07 PM by jman7

Rukia and Toshiro both draw distinctions in their zanpakuto that for the most part seem utterly useless. Rukia claims hers isn't an ice type but a freezing type and he claims his is ice and snow.

Besides Toshiro being able to use the water in the atmosphere to restore his bankai and manipulate the weather to prepare big ice attacks, they're both making distinctions for no real purpose. Neither of them has ever attacked anyone besides trying to hurl ice at them or freeze them in ice, so for practical purposes they're zanpakuto's are the same.

I'll say that I think Kubo is trying to portray Rukia as having more raw power than Toshiro, but his is still far more useful than her's so it doesn't really matter.

edited 22nd Aug '14 3:37:08 PM by KBSL

We don't really know how strong Rukia's attack actually was except that it was an instant kill. I suppose she'll show it off again when the plot gets back to her and we can get some more details. I suspect that her bankai isn't just one huge attack unless she wants it to be. Most likely she can limit how much energy she puts into it as a tradeoff for how vulnerable it leaves her.

And again, that giant snow flower thing Hitsugaya pulled off was pretty potent.

No, no, I think it's the opposite. Being able to control the weather and all.

edited 22nd Aug '14 3:28:24 PM by Cruherrx

Also, we've seen both Rukia and Hiysugaya's Bankai are capable of one-shot shattering Captain-class opponents in the same way. Hitsugaya wasn't using Tenso Jurin for that either.

Despite all the talk about Rukia's being way better when she first showed off the new skills, I think they look fairly even right now.

edit: And Rukia's distinction was mainly to show how it operated differently. She's also never shown manipulating water and ice like Hitsugaya has.

edited 22nd Aug '14 5:11:27 PM by Saiga

Ikka...mbo Breaker.

Speaking of ice flowers, this past chapter showed Hitsugaya still has them floating behind him.

Let me say a couple things:

1. Ice and snow are not the same thing as "cold". Cold is the removal of energy, specifically heat. Ice and snow is the solidifying or crystallization of water. Rukia's bankai has thus far only done the former, while Hitsugayas is all about the latter.
2. I maintain that Ichigo's power level is not the same as his reiatsu. His reiatsu seems to moreso be his "potential" while his actual power is dependent upon other things, like physical health, state of mind, techniques, etc.

What if Unohana is a zombie now?

So are Ikkaku and Yumichika supposed to be dead, or just unconscious? I ask because someone added them to Famous Last Words.

Way too early to tell.

I wouldn't like that because then she wouldn't be in her prime, having died before that. Unless she still ends up being a bigger threat despite that, that'd be pretty hype.

It might not matter if she just goes into bankai and lets everyone melt around her.

Maybe not, but I wouldn't like her to be reduced to just using her Bankai to be threatening though.

plus the whole 'meeelting' thing might've been symbolism.or Minatzuki causes hallucinations.

Well yeah I am leaning toward it being symbolic due to the differences in Kenpachi and Unohana's melted forms but it'd be a pretty sweet power for her.

I can believe that's her power. Shikai restores the flesh, Bankai takes it away.

edited 23rd Aug '14 5:03:03 PM by HamburgerTime

personally leaning to hallucinations here.dont some rays have such poisons or whatever?

Yeah but nothing relating to hallucinating.

I like the idea of the power, especially with it affecting her, but I'm just not convinced at this stage.