Sexism In Anime

Point is, we need less oppai and more Old Spice.

Like I said before, though, there's a bad habit of combining/associating male fanservice with humor.

To be fair, the same is true of female fanservice, a lot of the time. It's not just titillating, but also hilarious. Mahou Sensei Negima comes to mind.

Holy fuck did that series turn me on when I was a teen.

edited 20th Aug '14 3:46:05 AM by TheHandle

Right, but you can still get "casual" fanservice from female characters without humor or attention being drawn to it. Like, for example, Fairy Tail. What you say is certainly true (there are scenes which mock fanservice for both genders), but the female characters are still casually standing in stripper clothes, suffer absurd clothing damage, and subjected to perverse camera angles with regularity.

The most aggravating thing about the imbalance of fanservice amongst the genders for me is how casual it starts to become. You see the same thing in comic books.

No, comic books have been like that since pretty much the start.

edited 20th Aug '14 4:42:43 AM by TheHandle

That's pretty much the root of the problem, given that the start you speak of happened in, what, the thirties?

Yup, but it got really bad in the Rob Liefeld years.

I can't make sense of the fanservice in Fairy Tail. With the art style, it just plain doesn't work. It feels like "this character has big breasts" or "this character is showering" rather than "OMG LOOK AT THE TITTIES AREN'T THEY EDIBLE?! LOOK AT THE GLORIOUS PERKY TEARDROP ROUNDNESS! I AM HURTING HERE!" or "OMG DAT ASS THOU! FROTH! FROTH AND BUBBLES EVERYWHERE! SO SMOOTH AND GLISTENING AND SHINYYYY!!!".

Like, you know, way too neutral. Like Saitama's face: If you're going to be this half-assed, why bother trying in the first place?

edited 20th Aug '14 4:45:26 AM by TheHandle

In Fairy Tail it just sort of fades into the background. The number of gratuitous butt shots I manage to totally miss the first time reading a chapter is astounding.

Actually, comics weren't really that bad until the Seventies. Aside from niche stuff like Men's Magazines or the Phantom Lady.

So what's everyone here think of the crossdressing in anime fad lately? (I know it's been around for a while, but it's got more attention nowadays. Particularly dudes crossdressing.)

The part that bothers me most is how there doesn't seem to be enough of it happening to dudes with bodies that seem more like dudes than flat chested girls who may or may not have a penis. (It's also disappointing to hear a totally girly voice)

...but then, strangely, I also get weirded out whenever there's a plot involving a Bifauxnen where she has to hide her gender only for her to have a ridiculously girly voice that she makes no effort to hide(and, in live-action, still be wearing makeup. I get weirded out by the makeup whenever it shows up at baths or when they're sleeping too though.)

Jojo to the rescue once again!

Takarazuka. Check it out and you will understand.

I honestly don't know what to make of it.

I'd love to say that it's a good thing for brining acceptance to transgender and transexual issues...but I'm hesitant to do so without significant proof that that's the case.

Many of my concerns about the trend were outlined in this stalled YKTTW.

That's only the case when they are transsexual/transgender though.

Well, the way I understand it, "transgender" is a very broad term that includes various types of gender non-conformists, including crossdressers.

I'll just say I hate the people who think Chihiro is transgender, ignoring over 90% of the character's personality and motivations

edited 20th Aug '14 1:03:51 PM by bassgs435

Wouldn't that mean like, every brony(Is MLP still a thing? I haven't seen as much of those guys lately) and those Real Men Wear Pink guys are transgender?

-School PC-

Well, when it comes to crossdressers... I can also think in Kalluto.

No, because a person needs to self-identify as such.

A non-gender conformist that considers themselves trans- or a-gendered should probably be respected and called what they wish, but we shouldn't call a specific person those labels without their permission.

edited 20th Aug '14 1:21:15 PM by KingZeal

Most crossdressers aren't transgender.

Of course they aren't. That isn't what I said. They do, however, fall under the intersectionality of non-gender-conforming issues.

Restarting this thread with this question: How do we grade the Macross series in terms on how women are treated?

I guess a C- ?

• Bratty idol singer who doesn't do anything except be a love interest? Check.
• Older Bridge Bunny whose only purpose is to be a love interest? Check.
• Strong female warrior that is defeated in battle for the first time and falls in love with the man who bested her? Check.

Other than that, though, I can think of many sexist tropes, which is pretty damn good.

What older bridge bunny? You can't mean Misa?

I object to that assessment. Minmei and Misa both do more things than just being love interests. Sure, Macross is a love triangle with mechas and rock thrown in, but that doesn't mean they're there just for the sake of Hikaru. Misa is Macross's second-in-command, responsible for its continued survival, and Minmei ultimately ends up saving everyone.

I'll agree about Millia, though. As hilarious as it was to see her and Max get together just like that, it's rather unfortunate how it comes off.