The general thread of generalness (a.k.a. we talk about everything)

Because Tomoya's father rendered his arm unusable after a long period of fights between the two, and after that treats Tomoya like a stranger instead of his son?

Edit: In case you misinterpreted what I said before about Tomoya not being better off for having realized all his father supposedly did for him, what I mean was by that point he didn't even need that kind of emotional realization. He'd dealt with the matter even if it was 'without knowing the whole story' as his grandmother tells him.

edited 21st Jan '11 4:15:34 PM by Arha

Well when people get drunk, they don't tend to have much control over the actions. By that point, he was drinking just to ease his pain. Also, by his actions in story, you can clearly see that he doesn't think of Tomoya as a stranger, it's just that Tomoya tries to distance himself as much as possible. As for calling him with the -kun honourific, that's probably just because he doesn't think that he's qualified to talka s his father or something along those lings.

Good parents don't get drunk and permanently injure their children. And it seems pretty obvious that Tomoya does not like being called -kun since it generally makes him run away and would be pretty obvious in his body language. His behavior might be understandable, but it does not make him a good father.

I'm definitely not a parent but I'm pretty sure a single parent without a stable job would have a tough time supporting a kid. Living in poverty could have something to do with his depression and resorting to alcohol. And there's no real way that he could've figured out that calling him -kun could cause him to distance himself more.

I said it's understandable. But good parents still don't drink, then fight with their children and then ruin one of their arms.

And while he couldn't have known beforehand that calling him -kun would upset him, he keeps doing it. Do you think Tomoya never winced when he heard himself called Tomoya-kun? Or that his father didn't notice how his son would run away when he continued talking to him like that? Not a very observant parent if so.

Also, even if he didn't figure out it was because of the way he began treating him, he never bothered to pull him aside and talk to him. Tomoya's dad is just not father of the year material, nor does he deserve that special mug.

edited 21st Jan '11 5:11:35 PM by Arha

I get where you're coming from, but I still disagree. I doubt Tomoya would stay in the room as him long enough for him to talk with him. Also, since Tomoya runs out of the room whenever his dad gets in, it's kind of tough to gauge what made him react that way.

Yes, he's probably not the best parent in the world. Probably with the guilt he's built up over the years, he doesn't even feel qualified to be his parent which is part of why Tomoya keeps trying to run away.

Yeah, I'd agree with him. I don't think he's qualified to be Tomoya's father either. I might feel differently if he appeared bothered by Tomoya always running away from him, but since he doesn't, After Story assuring me he was a good father all along seriously lacked credibility.

Too much of a case of the story telling us and not showing us his father being qualified to raise a kid.

Yet the best V Ns seem to to have difficult to relate to protagonists. Kenichi is a broken genius, Shirou is insane and Shiki is potentially ax crazy

Well, this is partally because, they're meant to be characters in their own right. A lot of VN protagonists are basically ciphers for the reader to project themselves into. On the other hand, these characters are their own, well, characters. They're the main characters of their story, and that means that the reader has to understand someone different then them.

Funny, I was thinking the same about anime characters in general. Th current season alone has six mediocre series with flat Ridiculously Average Guy protagonists, because creators seem to believe that this will make the series more popular, but the really popular classics are all about their memorable, unique male prtagonists.

Hiruma Youichi.

On Tomoya's father being in poverty:

Buying alcohol at this point is a horrible thing to do.

I-It's getting hard!

This makes me happy.

edited 27th Jan '11 3:06:58 PM by Five_X

I... don't suppose there's any indication that with that stuff (the original game is going in there as well, right?) they're releasing the Plus Communication version? If not, can't say I'm really that interested.

Oh, huh, Koihime Musou is set for release at the end of February. Not that I'll buy it, but neat.

edited 27th Jan '11 3:11:27 PM by Arha

Remember, Manga Gamer is planning on releasing more than just Da Capo in hard copies. Most likely, their bestsellers (Shuffle, Kira Kira) will also get the same treatment, among others.

Unless they come with something more than they already have I can't say I really care to just have the stuff lying around. It wouldn't be that much work to release Plus Communication or Really? Really! instead of the Da Capo or Shuffle! that they've released so far.

I'd like the Shuffle PS 2 port (routes for Mayumi and Kareha).

Er, yeah, that. I'm irritated by how they always translate the first release of the game. The expanded PS 2 version was ported back to the PC at some point.

edited 30th Jan '11 9:38:39 AM by Arha

Thirded

Playing Kagetsu Tohya at a leisurely pace. Arcueid... Arcueid breaks me.

Currently have Ever 17 part downloaded. But after a watching/reading a spate of stuff with downer endings, I may buy Kira Kira instead.

Has anyone ever played the freeware game Ballad of an evening butterfly? Any thoughts?

Ever17 doesn't have a downer ending doesn't have a downer ending that is actually really relevant.

Ever17 is still really damn sad for much of the game.

True, but...

Yume Miru Kusuri question: Whose route should I play last? I know one of the three should be last to avoid a Funny Aneurysm.

edited 10th Feb '11 2:37:53 AM by MiyaKousaka

I didn't even do Mizuki. I guess you should do Aeka after Nekoko though. Doesn't really matter.

Damn it, the Muvluv Alternative translators entered into an official partnership. I guess that's better than an outright C&D order but ugh, now it's going to take forever for that to come out. If ever. Did I read through that horrible bullshit Muvluv for nothing?