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Cut Troper Tales /The World Ends With You ?:

 1 Kris Mahai, Tue, 15th Jun '10 9:12:40 AM Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Hm?
This has been bothering me for few months now, and I had finally posted a thread on the discussion page. I was advised to post it here instead. Taken from the discussion page:

'm aware that there's no rule on the wiki against Troper Tales for work pages on the site. This is mentioned on the Troper Tales discussion for TWEWY. Still, I'm not exactly sure of the point, as it's mostly populated by people talking about cosplay, ways the game have affected them, and the game itself, such as bosses and achievements. This can all be done on the forums, where it is actually intended for this to happen.

There's not much point to the Troper Tales page. Who here would be opposed to deleting it?

Now I know it's rare we cut Troper Tales page, but there's one problem— this is a troper tales for a work. It's been around for several months, and was originally something of a joke.

From what I can tell, there's been some resistance to cutting it because "there's no rule against it."  * So, I figured I'd ask here, where it would get more attention than the discussion page.

Link here.

edited 15th Jun '10 9:36:49 AM by KrisMahai

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”
 2 rallyfan 9000, Tue, 15th Jun '10 9:15:14 AM from overwatch position
Elite Soldier
Mass Effect has a Troper Tales page as well. Should we cut that as well?
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 3 Kris Mahai, Tue, 15th Jun '10 9:19:16 AM Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Hm?
I can't say, considering I don't frequent the Mass Effect page. I don't see a point to either of them, quite frankly. Do you have any arguments against it?

Edit: Let me expand. From what I can tell, everything that is on either Troper Tales page is something that would better placed on the forum. We have one for a reason, after all. It's just wasting server space.

edited 15th Jun '10 9:22:36 AM by KrisMahai

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”
 4 rallyfan 9000, Tue, 15th Jun '10 9:20:35 AM from overwatch position
Elite Soldier
No, not really. Just wanted to point that out. But honestly, we cut one, might as well cut all, know what I'm saying?
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 5 Kris Mahai, Tue, 15th Jun '10 9:23:31 AM Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Hm?
Yeah, I know what you mean. Honestly, I think we probably should cut them all, but I can't do it without support. Should I mention this in the Mass Effect discussion page?
“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”
 6 rallyfan 9000, Tue, 15th Jun '10 9:26:36 AM from overwatch position
Elite Soldier
The Troper Tales Mass Effect discussion, yes.

edited 15th Jun '10 9:27:07 AM by rallyfan9000

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 7 Fighteer, Tue, 15th Jun '10 9:26:59 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
The one major difference between Troper Tales on the main wiki and the forums is that you can edit Troper Tales without getting known; the fora require a handle.

I have no basic problem with restricting Troper Tales for works other than this.
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 8 Kris Mahai, Tue, 15th Jun '10 9:33:57 AM Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Hm?
rallyfan: The Troper Tales Mass Effect page doesn't have discussion. Even so, I'll still mention it on the main page discussion. It'll probably get more attention there.

Fighteer: ...Not to seem callous, but it's not particularly hard to get a handle. A majority of tropers already have them for simply editing pages. In addition, there are several tropers who use the Troper Tales page that I know are on the forums.

Also, I added a link to the page in the first post.

edited 15th Jun '10 9:37:17 AM by KrisMahai

“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”
 9 Madrugada, Tue, 15th Jun '10 10:17:41 AM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
The main purpose of the Troper Tales pages, from the admin's point of view, is to keep This Troper Natter off the main page by making a place to corral it. If works inspire such Natter, whether it's about cosplaying the characters; convention stories; regarding a character as a role model; simply having a strong identification or association with, or powerful reaction to a character or situation within the work; or anything else, then a Troper Tales page serves its purpose.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 10 Some Sort Of Troper, Tue, 15th Jun '10 11:20:18 AM Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, she is imaginary
Such a page came onto the cut list and its salvation was such reasoning. I am not surprised this occurs with video games being that it is the medium of That One Level and That One Boss.
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 11 Kris Mahai, Tue, 15th Jun '10 6:05:37 PM Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Hm?
I understand, though it's frustrating that we even need something like that. I guess it'll stay, then. Better than having natter on the main page.
“Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”
There's also a Troper Tales/Scribblenauts.

Too be honest, I can see some reasoning why people would prefer to discuss things on a Wiki page then a forum, so I have no objection to the Troper Tales....
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El Cid
I was just looking at that page, in fact. To be fair, the cool thing about Scribblenauts gameplay is almost entirely based around the crazy stuff random people can make it do.

 14 Vampire Buddha, Thu, 17th Jun '10 4:46:31 AM from Where the moon is fat Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
Judderman
Aren't personal achievements and anecdotes relating to specific works supposed to go on the Discussion page?
El Cid
Really? Whenever I look at a discussion page, almost universally it's a discussion about the work page, not the work itself.

 16 Fighteer, Thu, 17th Jun '10 7:12:32 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Actually they really should go on the forums, since they're more conducive to that kind of discussion.
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 17 Kilyle, Thu, 17th Jun '10 7:33:32 AM from Procrastinationville Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Field Primus
I don't know about this page specifically, but there's a huge difference, in both mechanics and feel, between the forum pages and the wiki pages. If tropers around here are getting good use out of the Troper Tales wiki pages, there may be a reason they haven't transfered the discussion to the forum.

At a bare minimum: It's time-consuming to navigate the forum entries, basically because they're linear and a thread can balloon up into hugeness; the wiki pages, because they're editable, can be more concise and keep different topics in their own sections without becoming unmanageable.

I'm not chiming in on either side of the "cut" debate, so much as pointing out that there are reasons to prefer the wiki model to the forum model, even if technically certain discussion "ought" to be more of a forum thing.
Only the curious have, if they live, a tale worth telling at all.
 18 Fighteer, Thu, 17th Jun '10 7:43:59 AM from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Well, if you're using Troper Tales to brag about your game accomplishments, that's really a forum thing, isn't it? I mean, I have no real interest in reading about how Random Troper X fifteen years ago scored eleventy billion points in Pac-Man.
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 19 Madrugada, Thu, 17th Jun '10 8:55:15 AM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
There's a lot of non-crossover between the forums and the wiki.

Tropers tales are "I did this", "This happened to me", and things like that, related to the main page its attached to. Lot's of people who will put something like that on a tropers tales page if it's there aren't interested in joining the forums, because that's all they really want to say. Take away the troper Tales and page, and they won't come to the forum, they'll put it on the main page instead.

If you don't want to read about someone scoring eleventy billion points in Troper tales, why do you think having it in the forums is any better?

edited 17th Jun '10 8:56:51 AM by Madrugada

'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 20 Trigger Loaded, Thu, 17th Jun '10 10:05:45 AM from Canada, eh? Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
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Still, I'd say there's quite a bit of difference between a Troper Tales page for a trope, and a work. For a trope, it fits, describing when you met someone with an Awesome McCoolname, or their own Analogy Backfires. When using it on a work... Well, it's a work. Just doesn't fit at all. It's not describing "This situation is when a trope happened in my life, " It's "Here's me talking about this cool and awesome thing." Just doesn't fit.

Still, if consensus is that having it there is a nice dumping ground, I won't protest.

I also recall a move to get rid of some of the more self-indulgent Troper Tales. Brilliant, but Lazy is a big one. "Oh, I could be SO AWESOME if I tried, but I just don't apply myself." Okay, not a move, but some support. But that is a topic for another time.
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El Cid
All that means is that Troper Tales is used for two different purposes - one for tropes, one for works. There's no reason it can't be used for those two purposes. They don't overlap.

Jet-Flynn
Why are we even having this discussion? People are obviously having fun with the Troper Tales for Mass Effect and TWEWY, and it's not interfering with anything, so why put a stop to it? TV Tropes is about having fun! So let the fandoms of these games have fun with it! Read the story about the trope examples on Fast Eddie's page and apply it here.

edited 19th Jun '10 12:33:44 PM by SpaceParanoid42

Reiko-chan agrees with the above troper. TV Tropes is about having fun, so why should we cut the TT pages for works like TWEWY and ME? Leave them be, you "Stop Having Fun" Guys! Leave them be and shut up, shut up, SHUT UP!
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 24 savage, Mon, 18th Oct '10 2:32:58 AM from an underground bunker
Way to resurrect a 4 month old thread. Now look at it, lurching about and trying to eat people's brains.
 25 G-Mon, Mon, 18th Oct '10 8:31:45 AM from ...Wait, I know this....
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Yeah, if we're not doing anything with this, let's take it out back and shoot it (read: lock the thread).

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