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Also, looks like the Mage: The Awakening entries were approved a LONG time ago, just never put up on the main page. I'll add that to my batch this weekend.

Psycho-Pirate

@Ambar: Here you go.

edited 30th Jun '16 12:09:49 PM by Ravok

I'm actually not sure on the Psycho Pirate. He kind of seems lacking in heinousness to me, especially in a superhero world. Then again, I haven't watched the episode.

I'm also uncertain on the Psycho-Pirate, given the very lighthearted tone of that particular Batman series.

I'm still wondering when ywach is finally going to be added, I mean seriously he's an obvious contender, but because bleach refuses to end, itll be a while. I swear I hate those long runners.

Also abstain on psycho pirate

edited 30th Jun '16 12:24:58 PM by Mediawatcher

Yeah, it seems this last arc's been ongoing for awhile.
Anyway, it seems Korrilan was also approved but never added; that'll also be added with this weekend's batch.

Someone mentioned how Dunn didn't seem to think that he knew the difference between Beckett and Nikki Heat. I think he did, but he didn't care.

Anyway, here’s a shot at Dunn’s write up:

• Scott Dunn from the Season 2 two-parter "Tick, Tick, Tick…"/"Boom!" was revealed to be a serial killer who, prior to the events of the episodes, killed prostitutes. He was able to escape justice by framing another man for the murders, hanging him and making his death look like a suicide. Later on when he gets to New York, it’s suggested he kills a businessman in order to assume his identity. When he becomes obsessed with Kate Beckett through Nikki Heat, he becomes familiar with a man named Ben Conrad and then proceeds to take him hostage in his apartment in order to assume his identity. Pretending to be Conrad, he murders two people seemingly at random and leaves Beckett and the others a message about how he will kill again unless they stop him. When they are unable to find him by his deadline, he calls Beckett to taunt her just like he did with the other two (each victim having a connection to Conrad's dead dog). He also takes the body of the third victim he killed and literally leaves her in front of Beckett’s apartment door in order to further emphasize his threat to her. It’s hinted shooting the third victim didn’t kill her right away and he let her bleed out. Dunn then kills Conrad and stages him as shooting himself in order to make it look as though the real killer is dead. Dunn later sneaks into Beckett's apartment and leaves a bomb. He sets it off while she's there and Beckett barely survives. Enraged that she didn’t die, Dunn calls Beckett to vent at her and while he does, kills a random woman out of anger. When Castle, Beckett and the FBI discover his apartment, they find that Dunn’s privately written about all of his killings to both immortalize and take pride in them. When his identity is uncovered, Dunn later takes Jordan Shaw hostage and threatens to kill her unless Beckett is exchanged for her. He leads the FBI team seeking to rescue her and kill him astray to an abandoned building where he has a bomb planted that will bring the building down with them in it. When Beckett confronts him and tricks him into thinking they figured it out, no one is in danger and that he failed, he angrily lashes out by attacking and nearly succeeding in shooting her.

edited 30th Jun '16 2:25:22 PM by futuremoviewriter

That needs to be cut by, like, at least a fourth.

I thought as much. Here's another shot:

• Scott Dunn from the Season 2 two-parter "Tick, Tick, Tick…"/"Boom!" was a serial killer who, prior to the events of the episodes, killed prostitutes, framed another man, hung him and made his death look like a suicide. Later on, he kills a businessman just to live off his identity. When he becomes obsessed with Kate Beckett through Nikki Heat, he learns about a man named Ben Conrad and then proceeds to hold him hostage in his own apartment. Pretending to be Conrad, Dunn murders three people seemingly at random (each one connected to Conrad's dead dog) and each time calls Beckett to taunt her. He takes the body of the third victim and leaves her at Beckett’s apartment as another threat to her. When shooting the third victim, Dunn didn’t kill her right away and he let her bleed out. Dunn then kills Conrad and stages him as shooting himself to patsy him as the killer. Dunn later sneaks into Beckett's apartment, leaves a bomb and then sets it off while she's there. Enraged when Beckett barely survives, Dunn calls her to vent and while he does, kills a random woman out of anger. Dunn's revealed to have privately written about his killings to immortalize and take pride in them as well. When his identity is uncovered, Dunn takes FBI agent Jordan Shaw hostage, threatening to kill her unless Beckett gives herself up to him. He leads the FBI team astray to the wrong building where he plans to blow them up with another bomb. When Beckett tricks him into thinking they saw through his rouse and he failed, he angrily lashes out by attacking and nearly succeeding in shooting her.

edited 30th Jun '16 2:33:12 PM by futuremoviewriter

I'll give a to Psycho Pirate, I remember that episode. It went from normal to somewhat dark, to quite light, to surprisingly dark. At the time I never really considered him something special but in hindsight he's a lot crueller and more serious than the shows other villains (with one obvious exception).

Really one thing I always found funny about Batman:The Brave And The Bold was that the darkest, cruellest and most terrifying character in entire series was technically a good guy.

edited 30th Jun '16 1:22:26 PM by MGD107

I seem to vaguely recall both the faceless hunter and Psycho Pirate being listed a couple years ago. I didn't watch the show, but the effortpost makes me wanna give him a

That works.

The thing about Brave and the Bold is that it already has a CM, so it's in no way too lighthearted to have an example. Second, Psycho Pirate really does stand out IMO. Painfully Mind Raping 3 young teens before trying to kill them, in some cases trying to get them to kill each other, then attempting to make Batman snap with rage is a pretty wicked, and, again, unique, crime in the series. That's what makes me give him a slight 'Yes'.

To put it in more mature terms, it's like if a show where attempting to murder people, even teenagers, was a regular occurence, then a guy comes along who successfully rapes 3 teens then tries to kill them.

edited 30th Jun '16 2:16:40 PM by Ravok

I'm gonna watch the Castle Season 2 episode Sucker Punch again to see if Dick Coonan actually does count or not.

We know Bracken doesn't count because his Freudian Excuse of wanting to make things better and being traumatized by seeing a neighbor kid dead when he was younger truly shows him to be a Well-Intentioned Extremist, unlike Mason who didn't have that luxury.

Slight updates:

• Scott Dunn from the Season 2 two-parter "Tick, Tick, Tick…"/"Boom!" was a serial killer who, prior to the events of the episodes, killed prostitutes, framed another man, hung him and made his death look like a suicide. Later on, he kills a businessman just to live off his identity. When he becomes obsessed with Kate Beckett through Nikki Heat, he learns about a man named Ben Conrad and then proceeds to hold him hostage in his own apartment. Pretending to be Conrad, Dunn murders three people seemingly at random (each one connected to Conrad's dead dog) and each time calls Beckett to taunt her. He takes the body of the third victim and leaves her at Beckett’s apartment as another threat to her. When shooting the third victim, Dunn didn’t kill her right away and he let her bleed out. Dunn then kills Conrad and stages him as shooting himself to patsy him as the killer. Dunn later sneaks into Beckett's apartment, leaves a bomb and then sets it off while she's there. Enraged when Beckett barely survives, Dunn calls her to vent and while he does, kills a random woman out of anger. Dunn's revealed to have privately written about his killings to immortalize and take pride in them as well. When his identity is uncovered, Dunn takes FBI agent Jordan Shaw hostage, threatening to kill her unless Beckett gives herself up to him. He leads the FBI team astray to the wrong building where he plans to blow them up with another bomb. When Beckett tricks him into thinking they saw through his rouse and he failed, he angrily lashes out by attacking and nearly succeeding in shooting her.

edited 30th Jun '16 2:25:37 PM by futuremoviewriter

Nikkolas, thanks for expressing your opinion. I like have 3 books on my to read list so I'll get back to that one when I can lol!

Also the thing about Griffith is that, as far as I know, he tried to kill Gutts and rape Casta (to the point of making her catatonic) for going out behind his back, despite the fact that they just saved his life and were still his friends who cared about him. So yeah he ain't got nothing to stand on.

edited 30th Jun '16 2:58:25 PM by zcooper95

Actually he did it specifically because they had saved his life. He was mad at them for not needing him to be in charge anymore which is totally insane, but sadly not uncommon in people with extreme forms of narcissism. It's all about them and if something challenges their centrality in the world, they start hurting people. It's the same mindset that sees Joffrey Baratheon kill anybody who questions his status as king, and Light Yagami murder anyone who suggests he might not be a hero. That's why anytime someone suggests that Griffith could have been alright in different circumstances I can't buy it—eventually somebody in the Band of the Hawk would have wounded his ego, and when that happened, somebody was going to die.

edited 30th Jun '16 3:14:15 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Wow that's even worse. Yeah I agree with ya.

I'll admit I thought the younger Griffith might be redeemable because he does take a while to decide on the Godhands' offer... but then on a reread I noticed his decision was literally "Screw it, they were holding me back anyway; demonic powers plzkthnx!"

I cut the agreed-to-cut quotes, and removed nearly all of the unapproved YMMV ones (and so added Complete Monster YMMV Pages to the cutlist). Feels cathartic somehow

edited 30th Jun '16 3:46:18 PM by ACW

Tv!Euron atm, he seems to be a standard villain. We shall see about Book Euron but it looks like he will qualify and this may mean Show!Euron will too come season 7.

And in regards to the finale....I never admit I would say this but when we discuss, there is a character I never thought would qualify that we might have to consider......

And am I the only one who hates Show!Ramsay the way he should be hated(ie: like Umbridge from HP or Joffrey in the very same material) and not the way he ended up being hated(ie: the idea that he was a poorly written villain). But then again, I never read the books.

edited 30th Jun '16 3:58:47 PM by xie323

Okay I'll try a writeup for James Gillies.

• James Gillies is Detective William Murdoch's Arch-Enemy and one of the most dangerous men he's ever met. Initially coming into conflict with Murdoch after he murdered his professor as part of a way to test a theory of Applied Physics, Gillies was defeated when Murdoch tricked his weak willed partner into turning on him. Angry at being defeated, Gillies swore revenge on Murdoch. After escaping the noose by bribing a dying man into taking his place, Gillies murders Robert by sawing his head off while he's still alive, before initiating a twisted mind game with Murdoch. This culminates in him burying Julia alive, with Murdoch only narrowly getting there in time to save her. Unfortunately, Gillies escapes when the wagon is overturned and falls into a river, allowing him to plot another scheme. This culminates in him framing Julia for the murder of her husband, all as part of a plan to lure Murdoch into a Death Trap where he will have to make a Sadistic Choice. Curious to see whether Murdoch is willing to die to save the woman he loves, he sets the trap up so that either he lets Julia die or he sends the film containing Gillies's confession to the judge. Fortunately Murdoch is able to alert his fellow officers, who arrive in time to save him before the poisonous gas floods the room. Gillies's final clash with Murdoch occurred when he arranged for several criminals to break onto the train transporting him into prison, causing chaos. Gillies taunts both Murdoch and Julia that they "owe him" for killing Julia's husband and allowing them to be together before escaping and jumping into the river (where he drowns because of the shallow water and the fact he's in handcuffs). Sadistic and defined by pettiness, James Gillies is the worst that Detective Murdoch has ever faced.

edited 30th Jun '16 4:04:43 PM by LordYAM

See if you can't trim it just a little.

Psycho Pirate.

On the subject of Griffith, the whole point is that he was a flawed human being who still had some redeeming qualities who became an inhuman monster, but he wasn't turned into a monster - he made a choice to become one for reasons ingrained in the worst of human nature such as narcissism, ambition, and spite. You can argue what pushed him to the edge, but there can be no denying that he didn't need to go over the edge if he were to simply chose not to, and yet he chose the opposite. Because at his core he was always a narcissist and a sociopath.

@Ambar: You made absolutely the right call on those Shonen series.

@futuremoviewriter: Unalaq's consciousness was still in Unavaatu, merged with Vaatu completely. That's why he talks like Vaatu a lot, but then goes and says things like "Once you are gone, I will the be one, true Avatar!", which are very Unalaq statements to make.

@xie32330th: Show!Ramsay's problem was that they gave us way more of him that was necessary (in the books he's a much more minor character who's so far only been used to serve Theon's story) and the show's narrative often contorted over backwards in order to Ramsay to be successful and not suffer any consequences for the mistakes he'd make.

edited 30th Jun '16 4:17:41 PM by ANewMan