Tvtropes Conlang

@Kuiper: Congratulations on getting the 400th post!

I had assumed that a root was a root, and could be made into a verb (with the appropriate tense suffix(es)) or a noun - the ones marked as "verb" in the lexicon are just more likely to be verbs. So from this root skol we'd get skola "a learner," and skolo "a learning thing (book, etc)," but also skol-mu "is learning" and so forth.

I also like arskol, playing off English "ask," so maybe ar- is "to want?" IDK.

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Point taken, actually... It is really simple... So I guess we're keeping "skol" as it is, 'cause it's very nifty. XD Also, wouldn't skola be a scholar or student? Skoli would probably translate roughly into "educational"...

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Added the root and some clarifications to the page.

I think we can start making trial sentences, if we decide one more thing: articles. I don't think we necessarily need them; anyone else have an opinion?

"There's an amazing feeling to being able to say things in your own language." - Zizoz

I, for one, like integral articles. But I agree that they're not really necessary.

Though, it is pretty cool how "The" can be an honorific, as in "I'm not a big fat panda, I'm THE big fat panda".

edited 7th Jan '11 10:17:30 AM by AlirozTheConfused

Never be without a Hat! Hot means heat. I don't care if your usage dates to 1300, it's my word, not yours. My Pm box is open.

... I'd like articles, but we want simplicity, so it might bog things down? I'm not sure.

On a related-to-the-honorifics-thing note... Should we include honorifics into the language? I mean, I'm sure there are languages who don't, but... Well, the "THE big fat panda" thing sounds like it should be in the language... Partially because it feels like adding "the" onto something makes it more important in media...

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Time for another Rule of Three moment! How about articles for "THE," "the," and "a/an" - i.e. "the only (relevant) one," "a specified one out of many," "any unspecified one."

"There's an amazing feeling to being able to say things in your own language." - Zizoz

^ I like it.

Hey, thanks; I was just coming over here to post "Bump."

Anyone still out there? It's gotten awfully quiet o' late...

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I thought that this thread had been deleted. Sorry.

edited 15th Feb '11 11:13:41 AM by AlirozTheConfused

Never be without a Hat! Hot means heat. I don't care if your usage dates to 1300, it's my word, not yours. My Pm box is open.

Well, I really have little to add other than opinions and random suggestions springboarded from other peoples much-more-informed ideas.

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Then express those opinions and random suggestions, gosh-darnit! Contribute something!

Never be without a Hat! Hot means heat. I don't care if your usage dates to 1300, it's my word, not yours. My Pm box is open.

Someone give us three words for our articles - "THE," "the," "a/an" - and we can get started on sample sentences.

And there was some system worked out for pronouns, that just needed some little things filled in. *is too lazy to go look right now*

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How about ze or se for "THE", je for "the", and ol for "a/an"? /random word jumbles FTW XD

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And that, my friend, is the essence of conlanging. Well, not quite, but...

I like your words, so let us adopt them! Sentences, anyone?

"There's an amazing feeling to being able to say things in your own language." - Zizoz

Aren't we using OSV order in our sentences? Or is it SOV? Which one is it?

edited 26th Feb '11 9:36:31 AM by AlirozTheConfused

Never be without a Hat! Hot means heat. I don't care if your usage dates to 1300, it's my word, not yours. My Pm box is open.

I think we picked subject-object-verb at some point. *checks wiki page* Yep, that and noun-adjective.

"There's an amazing feeling to being able to say things in your own language." - Zizoz

Just dropping by to say that the word for something unknown should be derived from 'noodle'.

Noodle Incident

Noodle Implements

Or maybe that should be 'zany' or something.

edited 14th Mar '11 9:39:38 AM by ParadoxJuice

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Are people still working on this? Because it is awesome and I'll be really upset if I missed it.

Thinking about pronouns - if the troper/person/thing distinction isn't already ingrained, I think it would be cool to have pronouns that make talking about clones/time-travel selves and alternate universe versions possible.

For example: a person/thing or troper/person/thing distinction with either distinct pronouns or modifications to these pronouns to signify *future version/*past version/*alterante/*clone(or copy to include a computerised "back-up" or to apply to things as well?)/*other useful distinctions (ie. evil self/good self/self?)

Comments?

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Yeaaah, this's died down a bit. Maybe over summer we could get some action from the old participants? *hopeful face*

Hmm, as far as iterations from other points in one's timeline go, I guess you could just stick the tense suffixes on the pronoun - literally "past-me" and such. Don't see why not, it certainly fits with the language!

As for the base pronouns themselves, I think we agreed on something and never got specific words to fill the structure. *checks* Yeah, nine words - first/second/third person, singular/plural/uncountable-infinite, and troper/not-troper/cannot-be-troper (animal sentience or lower.) Anybody want to have a go at making them up?

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Anyone still here?

So, as it currently stands, Morgoth*

, say, would be a member of the class of noun 'vilya' (root 'evil' with suffix 'god')*

^{Interestingly enough, 'vilya' is also the Quenya name of one of the Three Rings.}

. Should there be a distinction between Morgoth ('vilya') and Sauron (still more than human, but nowhere near as powerful as Morgoth)? Generally, a class of being that is not as powerful as we envision a 'god' being, but still greater than an ordinary human? It would be interesting to have some sort of linguistic implementation of Super Weight.

edited 13th Jun '11 7:49:03 PM by alethiophile

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I am still here. Really out of my depth on the conlanging front, though happy to join in.

I like the idea of a class somewhere between "god" and "sentient". Possibly something that could be used to convey Badassery in general (and be used to denote respect), but maybe officially refers to a wizard/Jedi master/Batman?

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I guess I'll play devil's advocate here: do we really need an additional distinction? Think about the English word «god», even — it can refer both to the Christian God, who is omniscient and omnipotent, or to, say, Zeus, who though certainly more than human is far less powerful.

But what about someone like Hercules? He's a demigod, sure, but god is kind of pushing it...

EDIT: Speaking of Devil's advocate, what about one for a devilish sort of power? Or should we not try to build good/evil distinctions into the basic grammar of the language?

edited 18th Jun '11 4:07:59 AM by robintherose

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For this new class between god and human, couldn't an honorific be used (i.e. "sir")?

As an option for the "demi-god" class(Or, as alternate terms, the super class, awesome class, or powerful class), how about "va" or "lu"?

As for roots, how about: nis- for good/nice
hir- for "beyond good" (Heroic; if fil- is "merely bad" and vil- "evil", then this word is the equivalent of vil- to nise-.)
laf- for funny
kil- for murder (So kilu is the act of murder, kila a murderer, kile a murderous animal... And perhaps kilo is the word for murder weapon? Or maybe weapon in general?) (Might want to use something like mur- or mul- if we're still doing the "k and g for exotic words" thing.)
pon- for weight/gravity (And possibly refers to a heavy object/person/animal when using those classes? Haven't thought this one through that well.)\\

edited 22nd Jun '11 1:02:41 AM by Kuiper

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