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Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.

This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#4876: Sep 21st 2016 at 1:32:43 AM

I think police are far too eager to kill people in general, and the fact that they often seem to perceive black people as dangerous criminals no matter what they're doing exacerbates that.

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#4877: Sep 21st 2016 at 3:06:56 AM

@Teufel: Regarding the Omaha PD vets quitting over overly aggressive recruits, did they provide any guesses as to what exactly changed at the academy or other parts of the recruits' backgrounds that made them that much more aggressive than previous recruits?

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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#4878: Sep 21st 2016 at 7:52:47 AM

There might be but those people tend to end up dead.

Indeed. This isn't going to end until something f*cking drastic happens. And no, eager anarchy enthusiasts who might be ghosting in the thread, I'm not talking about armed revolution or takeover; that solves nothing and would just get you shot.

Solving this is going to take some dramatic federal actions, including but not limited to

  1. IA investigations performed by federal investigators rather than state ones.
  2. Elimination of personnel and even entire departments where this behavior is commonly tolerated.
  3. Actual criminal charges for officers found to be involved in these events.
  4. A willingness to sidestep posse comitatus where necessary.

Anything less is just unicorn dreams and wishful thinking, because you can't reasonably expect the racist cops to be held accountable by their racist supervisors. This problem is too thoroughly ingrained in the atmosphere of these departments.

The Civil War never truly ended. It just got quieter. It's time to finish the job.

edited 21st Sep '16 7:58:33 AM by TobiasDrake

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#4879: Sep 21st 2016 at 8:15:06 AM

Shaun King (a Black Lives Matter activist I've mentioned a few times) has actually come up with a list of 25 practical and probably life-saving solutions for police brutality. Each and every reason comes with an entire article attached.

Of course, for any of this to be implemented, someone in a position of power would have to give a shit. So.

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#4880: Sep 21st 2016 at 9:27:59 AM

Krieger: They are churning out increasingly aggressive cadets for starters. Someone is teaching them gun first ask later.

Who watches the watchmen?
RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#4881: Sep 21st 2016 at 10:28:24 AM

So, Tyre King's family hired an independent medical examiner to examine his body, since the coroner's office won't make the results public for another six weeks. Turns out he was shot in the back. Three times.

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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#4882: Sep 21st 2016 at 10:50:00 AM

Of course it's three times. When it's a black person, it's always three bullets, five bullets, nine bullets.

We've talked about this before, but white people are typically shot once if at all. Even when they get back up and continue being a threat, police will put away their guns and try to wrestle.

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#4883: Sep 21st 2016 at 10:58:07 AM

And in the back. What was that everybody was saying about how he Was A Threat To Officer's Safety? Was the turned back of the 95-pound 13-year-old boy threatening them?

Oh, but hey, they thought he had a gun. In an open-carry state. A capital offense indeed.

[up] Also, yeah. With white people, de-escalation and nonlethal force always seems to be the thing. With black people, they seem to actually want to kill.

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#4885: Sep 21st 2016 at 12:25:11 PM

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Also, yeah. With white people, de-escalation and nonlethal force always seems to be the thing. With black people, they seem to actually want to kill.

Does that also apply if the Officers are Black?

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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#4886: Sep 21st 2016 at 1:16:58 PM

Yes, actually. I remember a study being posted here about how not only are white people more intimidated by black people than whites, but that black people put through the same study came back with similar results. The prejudice of black men as superhuman race-Hulks is not limited solely to whites.

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#4887: Sep 21st 2016 at 1:18:30 PM

That's one of the most insidious things about systemic racism and racial prejudice. Those values can get internalized, so even members of the oppressed communities will sometimes wind up inflicting that oppression upon each other.

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#4888: Sep 21st 2016 at 1:38:07 PM

An Ohio police chief has spoken out against the murder of Terence Crutcher.

"As an officer I am so sick and drained of some cops doing things like this," wrote Middletown Police Chief Rodney Muterspaw on Twitter. "You are making us all look bad. STOP. #TerenceCruthcher"

Muterspaw explained to local CBS affiliate WKRC that he has frequently been in situations similar to the one that led to Terence Crutcher's death, and that his priority was always to protect everyone's life, including the suspect.

Crutcher was shot by a Tulsa officer after complying with requests to put his hands in the air while standing near a car blocking the road. The officer who shot him says she believed he was reaching inside the window of the car and posed a threat. The police department and the Justice Department have each launched investigations of the incident.

Muterspaw later expanded on his sentiments on Twitter, writing, "Life is precious man. Sorry we don't all agree. Compassion and empathy is eternally important. Just sick of seeing death & hate. #Life"

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#4889: Sep 21st 2016 at 1:41:33 PM

Charlotte is having a bit of a crisis.

Another black man was killed by a black officer. Two disputing statements are that he was armed, the other that he had a book.

Some rioting, it feels a little surreal. Didn't expect it to happen in this city.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#4890: Sep 21st 2016 at 1:47:30 PM

If he did have a gun...North Carolina is another open-carry state. Though let's be honest - when right-wing rednecks bellow about the right to bear arms, they're only talking about white people. I think every single black person in the country should apply for a gun permit. Don't actually buy a gun, just get a permit. And open-carry one if you can. Get an NRA membership too. That ought to scare the shit out of them - we might see a lot of mysterious and sudden push for gun control then.

Back on topic. If he had a gun, so what, such is his right. They'll say he was threatening them with it - I don't believe them until I see proof. If he didn't have a gun, then no problem, they'll just plant one on him.

edited 21st Sep '16 1:47:47 PM by RBluefish

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#4891: Sep 21st 2016 at 1:52:28 PM

Sure the gas shortage isn't helping the riots.

edited 21st Sep '16 1:52:54 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#4892: Sep 21st 2016 at 1:55:01 PM

Those values can get internalized, so even members of the oppressed communities will sometimes wind up inflicting that oppression upon each other.

Needless to say, that racism can occur between groups, such as Koreans and Japanese, or Indians and Pakistanis or between "native" Black Americans and recent Black arrivals — or between Irish and English.

Racism is never just a Black v White thing (especially outside the US).

edited 21st Sep '16 1:57:01 PM by Greenmantle

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#4893: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:22:47 PM

Smugglers built a 10 foot air cannon to fire drugs over the border Reminds me of their drug catapults.

edited 21st Sep '16 4:38:38 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#4894: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:23:38 PM

For reference, see those two black cops they got to speak at the RNC because they've internalized the party line enough to make sweeping speeches about "BLUE Lives Matter!" and the Republicans believe that being black means they automatically discredit the #BlackLivesMatter movement.

edited 21st Sep '16 4:25:37 PM by TobiasDrake

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#4895: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:24:27 PM

[up][up]God that just sounds like the best job ever though. Shooting huge bricks of weed out of a cannon across the border.

I wanna do that.

edited 21st Sep '16 4:24:55 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
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LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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#4897: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:27:41 PM

Relevant music.

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
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Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#4898: Sep 21st 2016 at 4:41:29 PM

Before I kill the mood.

Number of ways drugs are sent past the border fence. The implant one was pretty damn disturbing. The rest are more benign. Notice they have used cannon themed approaches several times in the past as well as catapults.

Green: Sadly something Omaha, NE has had a fair bit of experience with. A bunch of Sudanese and Somalia refugees have settled in North and South Omaha. However they were not exactly welcomed by locals. Instead we had a very sharp uptick of violence in and around those neighborhoods. Then the refugees started forming their own gangs and well lets just say the local gangs got hoist by their on petard and the city as a whole suffered. This summer was pretty bad for violence in North O.

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#4899: Sep 21st 2016 at 8:47:31 PM

Someone is in critical condition after second night of rioting; earlier reported as dead

Man, seeing videos of this

Now they're saying Mc Crory is calling a state of emergency with possibly calling National Guard

Think police and other eyewitness conclude that the guy had a gun. Apparently the cops were serving a warrant for another dude when they noticed the now dead guy in his car.

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#4900: Sep 21st 2016 at 9:41:39 PM

Damn. One of my ex-teachers live there. Hopefully she's fine.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-idUSKCN11R1GS

Here's a Reuters article about the NC stuff.


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