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Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.

This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.

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#4351: May 27th 2016 at 3:31:24 PM

I find it ironic that it is the NYPD complaining the loudest given how they are among the most abusive.

Honestly though the more cameras from cops and civilians alike the more chances you have to get a more complete picture.

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#4352: May 28th 2016 at 6:27:18 PM

Not ironic if they already have the reputation for being abusive. Ironic would be them leading the way in the use of bodycams.

Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent Since: Jul, 2010
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#4353: May 29th 2016 at 9:04:03 PM

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20160530_22/

Japanese LE SAR units are rescuing a missing boy.

"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
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#4354: May 31st 2016 at 1:59:00 AM

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2011/11/06/people/ex-tokyo-cop-speaks-out-on-a-life-fighting-gangs-and-what-you-can-do/#.V01RPbh97IU

A nice history on one of the first officers who joined the TMPD after the 1960s began.

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#4355: May 31st 2016 at 8:58:57 PM

As if we didn't know this, there is no "Ferguson effect." Posted over in Politics too.

According to the FBI, 2015 was one of the safest years on record to be a police officer in America. Agency data shows 41 officers were killed in the line of duty last year, a drop of 20 percent from one year prior. Only in 2013, when felonious police fatalities hit an historic all-time low, were fewer officers killed while doing their jobs. The year 2015 tied with 2008 for the second lowest death rate for police on record.

That fact is interesting on its face, but it’s particularly noteworthy considering the number of sources who claim a “war on cops” is being waged that imperils the lives and safety of officers around the country. This manufactured battle is supposedly linked with the “Ferguson effect,” the theory—popular in conservative circles and other places where white people thrive on having their racist fears stoked—that Black Lives Matter and other anti-police-brutality protesters have created a “surge in lawlessness” through “intense agitation against American police departments.” The narrative has been publicized and popularized widely enough that a 2015 Rasmussen poll found that 58 percent of Americans believe the police currently face higher levels of danger than they have in the past. It’s also given rise to the Blue Lives Matter movement and a Louisiana bill of the same name, the first law in the country to make attacking a police officer a hate crime.

In other words, this has all the markings of a classic social panic, including the lack of actual data or factual truth to back it up.

“Any felonious death of a police officer is a tragedy, but the data show that the police officers’ job is not becoming more deadly,” David Harris, a University of Pittsburgh School of Law professor who studies law enforcement, told Huffington Post writer Matt Ferner. “The FBI statistics on police officer felonious deaths show that belief that the job is growing more dangerous, because of protests against police or because of the demand for reform to police practices, is simply wrong. Belief to the contrary may be sincere, but it has no basis in fact.”

Despite the fact that statistics from his own agency effectively dispel the myth of the war on cops, FBI head James Comey has been a consistent proponent of the idea, emphasizing “viral videos” as a demotivating factor for cops to engage in police work. In a speech he made last year, Comey said that “in today’s You Tube world” cops feel “under siege” and suggested they’re “answering 911 calls but avoiding the informal contact that keeps bad guys from standing around, especially with guns.” Earlier this month, the FBI head reiterated this idea, chalking up a recent rise in crime rates in 40 cities to cops shying away from doing their jobs lest they end up on camera.

“There’s a perception that police are less likely to do the marginal additional policing that suppresses crime,” Comey stated, according to the New York Times, “the getting out of your car at 2 in the morning and saying to a group of guys, ‘Hey, what are you doing here?’”

That idea was met with resistance by James O. Pasco Jr., the executive director of National Fraternal Order of Police. Speaking with the Times, the organization head seemed less than happy with Comey’s insinuation that police around the country are simply standing by as crime happens.

“He ought to stick to what he knows,” Pasco told the Times. “He’s basically saying that police officers are afraid to do their jobs with absolutely no proof.”

There are plenty of other obvious problems with Comey’s repeated assertions. Essentially, he’s suggesting that BLM and movements against police abuse are bigger problems than police violence; pushing the notion that activists deserve scorn for filming and calling out police misconduct when they see it; and none too subtly implying that demanding accountability for police violence somehow merits a response that jeopardizes public safety (while also peddling the opinion that without extreme policing, some communities just naturally tend toward violence). Maybe the most outlandish idea lurking between the lines of Comey’s talking points is that policing without brutality is an impossibility; that police officers simply cannot do their jobs—which are difficult and challenging on the best of days—without crossing the line into abuse.

“Police now for the first time are having to consider the consequences of being brutal, being unethical, and doing things that for the longest time they could do and not be accountable for,” Jacob Crawford, founder of We Copwatch, told the Intercept. “But that doesn’t make crime happen.”

It also seems worthwhile to point out that it’s hard to affirmatively pinpoint a connection between de-escalations in policing and changes in crime rates. In New York City, more than a year after police significantly lowered the number of stop-and-frisks and engaged in a virtual work stoppage, overall crime rates remain low. While other large cities—Las Vegas, Chicago and Los Angeles—have seen crime rise under similar conditions, experts note that a number of variables, instead of a singular issue, tend to contribute to climbs or drops in crime rates.

“Every city is going to be unique,” Marc Mauer, executive director of the Sentencing Project told Think Progress. “There are certain trends that can affect crime rates nationally, but we do know that crime is very much subject to local circumstances. It can be demographics, the proportion of young men in a given population, the size and the kind of policing that goes on, the employment rates, types of drug abuse. All those factors can vary quite substantially.”

“The cities with more crime in the last years are cities that are already facing severe challenges,” Ames Grawert, a lawyer with the Brennan Center for Justice told the Intercept. “If we’re going to talk about causes of crime we should be talking about that.”

We should probably also be talking about how putting out the demonstrably false idea of a war on police isn’t just wrong, it’s dangerous. We know where unchecked moral panics lead—the evidence is all around us, in overly punitive drug laws, filled-to-capacity prisons and a real war on the poor masquerading as welfare reform. The consequences of irresponsible scaremongering can be enormous. What’s more, the outlets and talking heads who continue to push the baseless and provocative narrative that police are under widescale attack cannot pretend to be surprised at the resulting negative climate.

“If you tell cops over and over that they’re in a war, they’re under siege, they’re under attack, and that citizens are the enemy—instead of the people they’re supposed to protect—you’re going to create an atmosphere of fear, tension, and hostility that can only end badly, as it has for so many people,” Daniel Bier writes at Newsweek. “As I wrote in the Freeman last year, ‘Disproportionate fears about officer safety are leading inexorably to the disproportionate use of force’—as well as leading many people (especially those who have never witnessed police misconduct) to excuse obvious brutality in the name of officer safety.' Meanwhile, those who see such behavior every day will have their trust in law enforcement steadily eroded.’”

It’s far easier to gin up fears about Black Lives Matter than it is to address longstanding tensions between the cops and poor communities of color. It plays with a certain audience, both for votes and ratings. What it doesn’t do is genuinely address any of the real issues at the heart of the current debate around policing. But it’s a conversation that has to happen, and it’s long overdue.

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#4356: May 31st 2016 at 11:53:51 PM

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/videos/20160531232257184/

JGSDF is joining the police in SAR efforts in Hokkaido.

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#4357: Jun 1st 2016 at 11:18:05 PM

Tales from a US prison guard.

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#4358: Jun 2nd 2016 at 8:46:56 PM

Random question.

So here's a scenario. Someone starts using a mixture of physical and verbal violence on me. I ask him/her to stop, but it continues on. I try to get away from the scene, but s/he keeps on pursuing me while continuing the abuse. Then I get cornered (as in, no more space to run away), and I retaliate so hard that the attacker gets a brain damage.

Let's assume that there is a proof that I tried to talk or leave the scene first. Would my actions count as a self-defense in most states of America?

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#4359: Jun 2nd 2016 at 9:00:07 PM

Depends on how white your attacker is and what state this all happened in.

edited 2nd Jun '16 9:00:24 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
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#4360: Jun 2nd 2016 at 9:36:47 PM

By the moment you were physically assaulted anything you did to defend yourself would legally be considered as self defense.

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#4361: Jun 2nd 2016 at 9:37:24 PM

[up][up][up]I'm 85% sure that's legal in almost all United States.

edited 2nd Jun '16 9:37:31 PM by Protagonist506

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#4362: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:29:41 AM

dRoy: It depends on the state. In Nebraska it depends if you are out on the street, in your residence, or at work. If you are in general public you have a duty to retreat if you have a reasonable means to do so. Which means if you are cornered your no longer able to retreat reasonably and retaliation is permissible. There would be a trial but you would likely get off. If you were at work or residence you have no duty to retreat at all and if you thump someones skull for that it is their own damn fault.

Basically it boils down to if you can get away reasonably you should. If not,you are allowed to protect yourself.

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#4363: Jun 3rd 2016 at 3:42:49 AM

Also the level of physical violence you're subjected to could matter in some places. If you've have a reasonable fear for your life (which basically means if you're afraid for your life) then everything is on the table, but if you have no real fear for your physical well being then you can't say kill someone because they kept poking you.

Also what you mean by retaliate is important, self defence covers acting to prevent them continuing to assult you, it doesn't cover anything beyond that, like you giving them a smack, them deciding to run away and you deciding that the fight isn't over; or you knocking them to the ground and then after they've stopped moving smashing their head into the pavement.

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#4364: Jun 3rd 2016 at 9:15:30 AM

By the moment you were physically assaulted anything you did to defend yourself would legally be considered as self defense.

That depends on state. Some states legally require you to make an attempt to retreat first, which dRoy does in his hypothetical scenario.

Other states have Stand Your Ground laws which basically mean that if someone attacks you, there is no responsibility to retreat. The moment they throw the first punch, you are justified in using force against them.

The level of force, of course, is still a variable factor based on what is necessary to defend your life, as [up] explains. Not to mention this is all about the law as written. Law as enforced...well, Garcon said it best. Depends on what color you and/or your assailant is. Some states will try and press charges on a minority victim for anything more aggressive than standing there and letting yourself be beaten to death.

And then they'll still find an excuse to throw the corpse in jail.

edited 3rd Jun '16 9:18:40 AM by TobiasDrake

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#4365: Jun 3rd 2016 at 12:23:44 PM

Self-defence laws in general can be murky and end up as a huge legal quagmire. As anybody in the security industry can attest to.

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#4366: Jun 4th 2016 at 12:12:17 PM

If you ever wondered where the Bundy's and militia loons get their constitutional views A version annotated by a rabid Anti-Communist Conspiracy nut who makes Mc Carthy seem calm and sane.

Speaking of which The two brothers are complaining that being in jail sucks and that the food sucks. Their lawyer and others are claiming they are losing weight but amazingly their official records point out they are packing on the lbs.

“All the inmates in our custody care receive three meals a day. Approximately 2,650 calories per day,” he said. “They also get milk, two to three times a week and some other things incorporated into the diet throughout the week.”
So in short these guys are actually eating a more balanced meal then most Americans get while sitting around in jail.

They also claim their protests were totally peaceful and those guns they had were only loaded with love and were totally not spewing anti-government gibberish, and totally not part of any militias. Yeah their defense attorney's must be sipping the cool aide or they are desperate.

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#4367: Jun 4th 2016 at 12:51:46 PM

2600 calories a day? Someone's gonna turn into a fatty on the government dime. Then again...

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#4368: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:49:14 PM

AFP: Might be too much like work for them. Since they can't be lazy and occupy federal property they have to sharpen their occupying skills in the cells.

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#4369: Jun 4th 2016 at 11:00:13 PM

A bit delayed, but thanks for the response folks. grin

In Nebraska it depends if you are out on the street, in your residence, or at work.

Ah, I see. Interesting.

If you've have a reasonable fear for your life (which basically means if you're afraid for your life) then everything is on the table, but if you have no real fear for your physical well being then you can't say kill someone because they kept poking you.

Good point.

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#4370: Jun 4th 2016 at 11:03:03 PM

On paper no but, and I do try not to sound like a bitter broken record, whether or not self defense laws apply to you is dependent entirely on the color of your skin and your attacker's skin.

That includes whether you can ignore them for the sake of shooting a minority or if you'll go to prison for murdering a white man despite having multiple grievous injuries.

Oh really when?
vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#4371: Jun 4th 2016 at 11:48:57 PM

Aren't you from North Carolina?

The last LE kercluffle I remember there was that one football player who got gunned down after he had been in an accident. Banged on some lady's door for help, she called cops, he ran toward them and yeah.

edited 4th Jun '16 11:49:10 PM by vicarious

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#4372: Jun 4th 2016 at 11:52:21 PM

Yeppers. It's nasty down here, to say the least.

And lemme say that this election is making a lot of things worse. So many Klansmen and Neo-Confederate types are coming out of the woodwork thanks to Trump. And more than a few of them are actually in law enforcement.

edited 4th Jun '16 11:53:14 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#4373: Jun 5th 2016 at 12:26:07 AM

Live in Charlotte. Don't know which supposedly back woods part you're from.

So I guess I probably won't run into those types or have unpleasant experiences with the police.

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#4374: Jun 5th 2016 at 12:29:02 AM

Charlotte's pretty nice. It's like this bastion of liberalness.

I'm out closer to Wilmington. If I had the money I'd move downtown by the water but I don't.

Oh really when?
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