This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
The Forum Rules
apply here.
Don'ts
- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
I was suspended for reasons I'm not entirely sure of, though I think it may have had to do with changing "New World Program" to "Neo World Program" from Danganronpa on multiple articles. The latter is the official English name, and while pages related to Danganronpa 3 and New Danganronpa V3 begin with a comment saying "All characters are recognizable by both of their names. Same goes for spelling. If the only point of your edit is to change names, refrain from doing it. Same goes with the Ultimate/Super High School Level titles. Either one works," no mention is made of New World Program/Neo World Program.
EDIT: Looking at this, I think it was actually for changing images on work pages without discussion. I have done this, but usually provided a reason why in the edit summary.
edited 11th Apr '18 10:39:53 AM by rjd1922
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I apologize about the third personning. In situations of stress I sometimes fall back on extreme formality. It won't happen again. I didn't intend to come across as racist. I'm more interested in deconstructing then anything else. I am a fan of both the film and the series and consider them culturally relevant and significant with a preference for the series since it can devote more time to characterization. It's my fault for editing tropes close to YMMV on already controversial pages. As I said, I'm a novice and I am not totally conversant with the general editing etiquette. That doesn't excuse my actions but I hope it's at least part of an explanation. I was dismayed when it appeared that edits that I had made in good faith were deleted without explanation instead of being moderated and edited in turn to bring them more in line with a consensus, and I reacted poorly. I will try to cut back on nastiness and dickery, perceived or otherwise. I promise to stay far away from any flamebait editing in the future. I will carefully consider the accuracy and impact of all edits before I make them. You are absolutely right, this is your wiki and I have to play by your rules. I humbly request that I be reinstated.
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
Actually, I didn't know that was a rule, since I've only fairly recently started being active on Image Pickin'.
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~rjd1922: Hmmm...true enough, based on your record of posts. However, that doesn't change that you were specifically cautioned about this on three separate occasions and still did it. Notifier PMs are meant as a tap on the shoulder to indicate that something a troper is doing is off-kilter so that they can correct the action in question and not end up being suspended over it.
edited 12th Apr '18 4:13:22 AM by Willbyr
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~Horndgod: I suppose we can give you a chance to prove that you get it. One of our first rules is, "Don't be a dick." Among the direct corollaries of that rule is that you shouldn't jump into an existing article and start trying to insert (or change) a point of view. At least ask first.
I'll release your suspension, but you'd better mean what you say. Any more of what got you here and it's bye-bye.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
~Willbyr I'm sorry. I'll follow the image rules and acknowledge PMs in the future. Do I need to go to Image Pickin' to change images on character pages, or just main page images?
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I would like to start editing again. I know better not to launch other tropers tropes. I've been asking other tropers for help but they haven't replied back. Could it be that they're busy?
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~rjd1922: Both warrant IP threads.
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
Willbyr OK, good to know. Could I please have my suspension lifted? I'll be sure to follow the image guidelines in the future.
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~rjd1922: You're good to go.
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
Some time has passed now since I got a suspension for getting way too many thumps, (nearly?) all of them in the 'Why The Tolerance Of Communism?' thread in On-Topic.
I've decided to step back and use this time to reflect on what went wrong (Well, obviously, what went wrong was that I was rude and getting to personal... Reflecting on why it went wrong, rather.)
Now... My difficulty there is that as far as I'm aware the issue was mainly my behaviour in that specific thread, due ingrained behaviour inappropriate for discussion on the TV Tropes forums resulting from the context in which I'm used to discussing the subject of the thread (or what had become the subject of the thread at that point, rather) being somewhat less civil than the discussions here (as are the people I'm used to arguing about that with, especially compared to the people here). If that's the case then we're sort of good, the thread's locked and if another similar discussion starts up again I'll know to just stay away from it if I can't manage to let go of the baggage.
But if the issue was that I was perceived as just generally abrasive and what happened in the thread was just the straw that broke the camel's back (it's possible, I'm usually the last to realize this), then it's important for me to know that if I'm to have any hope of correcting that and avoiding another suspension.
If, that is, the one I'm under now can be lifted at some point. (Otherwise my only request is that someone find some way to either empty my PM box or otherwise give me a window of time to do so myself. The constant notification that I have messages in my inbox which I cannot actually check when I'm reading trope and works pages is driving me up the wall).
Angry gets shit done.
I was recently involved in a dispute regarding the no copy/pasting information from other places rule (which I was unaware even existed until recently. The reason behind the suspension was undoubtedly due to being deemed "uncooperative" by the tropers who run the thread concerning the matter. In truth, I understand and will happily observe this rule now that I know it exists (whether or not I personally agree with it); my "uncooperative" behavior was simply due to not thinking much of the rather smug, self-important, attitudes displayed by the aforementioned tropers. In short, I'm perfectly willing to comply with any and all rules once I know they exist.
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~Robrecht: There's truth in just about everything you said. Your abrasiveness, yes. Antagonistic posting, yes. But what broke the proverbial camel in twain was your assertion that someone claiming parity of heinousness between Stalin and Hitler means they are an apologist for fascism.
I can't even wrap my head around this kind of logic, and it's the sort of thing that violates just about all of our guidelines for OTC. It makes the discussion about the person instead of the argument; it makes unsupported assertions; it's intellectually dishonest; and quite a few other things.
You seem to be here mainly for On-Topic Conversations. It's one of my favorite areas of the forums as well. To keep it fun, interesting, and useful, people have to be willing to engage in genuine debate, not declaim in each others' general direction and then get offended when that doesn't advance the conversation.
We'll consider reinstating your forum privileges in a few days. If we do, this doesn't mean to stay out of any controversial topics, but it does mean that you're on notice about your behavior.
FYI, the PM notification while suspended is a known issue. I'm releasing that block so you can read your messages.
edited 17th Apr '18 5:41:04 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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~Naethaeris: Regardless of the behavior of any other parties (and we'll remind them to be polite in these cases), you did commit plagiarism, and that is a universally wrong thing. It's not just a rule on TV Tropes; it applies everywhere. Did you ever go to school? One of the first rules you learn is not to copy from other people. On the Internet, plagiarism can have legal repercussions. It's not something that a site like ours can afford to be lenient about.
Also, for someone who's been on our site for nearly four years, I'm going to call shenanigans on the idea that you've never heard of this rule. If this were your first ever edit, it might be worth some slack, but come on. It's not up to us to teach you every rule after you unwittingly break it.
edited 17th Apr '18 5:38:57 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
~Fighteer To be honest with you, I rarely give much thought to things such as plagiarism in the context of a non profit wiki, especially when concerning information from another non profit source. To my mind, the entire thing just came across as extremely petty. I realize my mistake and assure you I will not make it again. I've never before been the source of any form of dispute or trouble on this site, and generally prefer to keep to myself if possible. And yes, I may have been on this site for 4 years, but I haven't been a particularly active editor for the whole of that time, and I've never even bothered to read the forum until now. I'm being entirely truthful when I say that I've never heard of this rule before, or encountered anyone who brought it up. Again, I keep to myself and very seldom interact with other tropes. Bottom line is, I legitimately didn't think this was plagiarism, because no one stands to make money or otherwise benefit from it.
Regardless, I know the rule now and will be sure not to do it again. I avoid conflict on principle and consider this whole affair very unfortunate. Nor have I ever previously caused any form of disruption or trouble on this site. And yes, I did go to school. And I do realize that was a rhetorical question.
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~Inksqueezer: Sending messages to random people asking for help isn't going to accomplish anything, nor is randomly posting in the forums. We are most certainly not going to allow you to edit or use Trope Launch Pad until you can show us that you can write properly. This is non-negotiable.
If you can accept this, then we'll allow you to use the Help with English topic. Here, you may post examples that you want to add to the wiki so that other tropers can help you with proofreading.
edited 17th Apr '18 5:58:47 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~Naethaeris: This gets into rather picky points of law, but just because content is offered "free" does not mean it has a license compatible with ours. This is one of the reasons why we have to be extra careful, and why we absolutely prohibit copying from other sites — retaining a lawyer to pore through everybody's licenses is way more effort than it's worth. Also, "free" means you can read it without paying; it doesn't mean you can copy it and claim it as your own work. That's never acceptable anywhere.
Aesthetically, TV Tropes should have original content. If you want to go to Wikipedia (or IMDB or whatever) to read about a work, fine. Someone coming here should get a distinct experience, based on our paradigm of "breezy, informal language".
Are we completely clear?
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
~Fighteer: Yes, and I was in fact planning to rewrite the edits I made into my own style at a later point. I just needed something to act as a placeholder instead of the far too sparse and generally lacking original descriptions. It won't happen again.
Lost in Space
~Naethaeris: You're welcome to use the Sandbox namespace to draft article descriptions (or do it offline), but you should aim for a finished appearance when the real thing goes up. I'll release your suspension since we're at an understanding.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I was suspended after I made a post in ATT saying that someone was reverting my edits. Is the assumption that we're actually the same person?
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Your username is inappropriate and I'm quite certain you know why. We don't provoke or taunt vandals, we ban and ignore them. Now, I'm sure you have another account to edit with. Why not use that instead?
Where does it say it's against the rules? I mean, sure, I'll use another one, but if you're going to do this then there should be a reason provided on the site.
I want to say I'm sorry for what happened. I'll take special care to make my edits more clear in the future.
~ShadowFighter88: Good. I'll remove your suspension.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"