Type-Moon: Fate/stay night, Tsukihime, and Kara no Kyoukai discussion

Except it's Urobuchi who was the writer for the Fate/Zero light novels, which were published between 2006 and 2007, putting its debut at six years before MadoMagi. And Rebuild started in 2009, with the infamous third movie being released in 2012, merely one year before PMMM.

... And how different is post-MadoMagi Urobuchi, anyway? I've watched the entire PMMM TV anime, and the ending left me extremely bitter... then I had to learn that he more or less spat over what little happiness that was earned in the last episode by making The Rebellion Story (I've yet to watch it, but the few limited spoilers I accidentally discovered caused what little optimism I had about it to hit rock-bottom), and that left me vowing to curse Urobuchi's name for the rest of my life.

edited 25th Oct '16 9:46:48 AM by MarqFJA

Exactly.

Urobuchi wrote Fate Zero at the height of (or at least during) his everyone suffers all the time every time phase.

It was after Madoka that he broke out of that by actually giving the characters something of a happy ending (or at least one where things had the chance to get better, even if there was a lot of sacrifice to reach that point which would not have happened in his earlier works).

The Urobuchi who would have been hypothetically brought by Anno to help with Rebuild would have been a post Madoka Urobuchi. One who might have even talked the latter out of such a bleak ending (while maybe keeping it a little depressing).

Edit: I don't think he really wrote Rebellion himself though. The studio shaft guys or whatever did it, and he agreed with it, but he didn't actually do it himself I think.

So that's how it went huh?

Well that sound about right.

edited 25th Oct '16 9:47:23 AM by HandsomeRob

If it helps, he originally wanted to end Rebellion with a happy ending. But the guys he was working for told him to create an ending they could use to continue the séries.

'd.

... And what is his definition of "happy ending"? Because if he considers the ending of the original PMMM show to be an example of such, then that means very little.

PMMM's ending is more optimistic than happy. At the very least, the characters aren't ruined and forever sad and utterly screwed.

How's the total misery and despair levels compared to Eva?

I really liked Eva a lot, actually. And then I watched EOE and it was probably the most depressing thing I've ever seen. But I thought it was good.

I think Rebuild 3 is actually more depressing than End of Evangelion, but mainly because in the latter (almost) everyone died, while in the former (almost) everyone *and* EVERYONE'S braincells died. Production crew included.

It was Idiot Plot: The Movie.

As depressing as EOE was (though I've never watched much Eva. I think the whole thing is too much of a black hole for me), there was still the chance for everyone who turned into LCL to come back if they wanted.

Rebuild 3 has left no opportunity for things to be fixed. Shinji wrecked things so thoroughly for himself and others (even when he was trying to fix things) that there's no chance for anyone (especially Shinji himself) to get even the chance of a potential happy ending sometime down the line. There are no avenues to better things anywhere.

I can't go into details because I never watched that movie either (I think that the entire series is just so utterly hopeless that it's turned me off watching it completely) so someone who knows more about it could probably say more.

I haven't seen the Rebuilds either, and honestly have no real intention to.

(In other words, don't worry about spoiling Rebuild for me)

The first two Rebuilds are okay, but then the third one shits all over that bed.

@Marq: Watch The Rebellion Story. You'll be doing yourself a favor. The ending is actually a lot more hopeful than the original one.

I'd ask how exactly (I could see some potential depending on the choices made by characters in universe), but this is admittedly the wrong thread for this.

Getting back to the Nasuverse....

Boy. That....Saber....sure has a sword huh?

....I'm sorry. That's the best I could come up with.

I thought the Third Rebuild is great and just needed to be longer. More focus on stuff that happend offscreen.

Well I heard some stuff that Rebuild might get a happy ending maybe. Anno seems to be doing better after the Godzilla movie & has even said he's working on the film now as I recall.

Also about Kariya I hope he gets a mention or makes an apperance in the Heaven's Feel movie.

I have a question regarding the Mystic Eye. Within the Nasuverse world building, is there any other example of the rainbow colored eye other than the Death Perception? In fact, I need some pretty in-depth recollection about the eyes in general. For research purpose.

Words I thought I'd never type: King Arthur is best waifu

edited 25th Oct '16 11:46:22 AM by LinkToTheFuture

Yup.

x2 Best be careful with wording from now on. Male King Arthur exists in the Nasuverse.

She's Artoria.

OK then. I'm going to try to be as careful as possible with everything in general with the series because I am generally wrong about things.

incidentally, is it standard practice to refer to the Servants by their name or by their class?

In-universe, class. Here we use names though, was we already dozens of Servants of each class. Some might still use class when referring to original 7 from Fate Stay Night though (Saber Arthuria, Archer heavy spoilers, Lancer Cú Chullain, Berserker Heracles, Caster Medea, Assassin Sasaki Kojirou and Rider Medusa).

It varies. For several of the Fate-series works (Fate/Zero included), as long as you've provided context as to which story you're talking about, you can just give the class name.

For some other works, such as Fate/Apocrypha or Fate/Grand Order, there are a lot more Servants of each class, so referring to them by name is more helpful.

EDIT: That's just talking from fans discussing the setting though. In-universe, most Servants are referred to by their class, so anyone else listening can't discern who the Servant in question is, because some Heroic Spirits have very distinct vulnerabilities (Servants who died of poison will not handle being poisoned very well. If Achilles were summoned, anyone who learns his name would know to aim for his heels, etc.).

edited 25th Oct '16 12:14:58 PM by Tsuzurao

We usually refer to them by their name, unless we're talking about one series in specific (Usually the original Fate Stay Night one)

edited 25th Oct '16 12:13:00 PM by SaintDeltora

Fate/Apocrypha in particular — due to involving two opposed factions of seven Masters and their Servants (complicated story) — necessiates that you refer to the Servant by either both their class and their faction (e.g. Saber of Black) or their identity (in case of Saber of Black, Siegfried [and yes, it's not a surprise; pretty much all of the Servants' identities are known to the readers from the get-go]).

We either use the names or the class with some classifiers - if you say just the class name, people will think about the ones from original VN. So for example saying just "Saber" everyone will think of Arturia, when talking about Saber from Fate EXTRA you say Saber Extra or Red Saber etc. It get the more complicated the more Servants there are in a given title so everyone just uses names for Grand Order servants.

edited 25th Oct '16 12:54:53 PM by Shlugo_the_great

Even then we have some ingame nicknames that can be used for spoiler servants in FGO. Like the Lion King.