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Nouct insert commentary here from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
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#48851: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:51:54 PM

You only need six Servants to power the Grail for a wish.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#48852: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:52:43 PM

Don't worry too much about asking questions because the Nasuverse is very complicated and a lot of info is buried in guidebooks that never got an official English translation.
The guys at Beast's Lair and the Type-Moon Wiki are doing their best to fix that, though. We finally have a full translation of the parameter rules, for example. Just look at the citations; the sources from which the info has been compiled from includes Fate/Extra (including CCC), Fate/Apocrypha, and even the UBW anime.

[up] But it would be nowhere as good as a wish powered by seven Servants. A six-Servants-powered wish cannot enact the kind of miracle that the Einzberns need to regain the Third Magic's full formula.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:55:53 PM by MarqFJA

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#48853: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:55:15 PM

Setting aside my dislike of Iskander, I'd call that more exciting than fun. The cast is (most likely intentionally) pretty unlikable so describing their actions as fun seems off to me.

Saying you need X Servants to do anything is not a meaningful statement.

Also ignore all these complicated rules for now and just watch it. They don't actually matter and aren't worth your time unless you just want to know anyway.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:55:57 PM by Arha

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#48854: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:57:34 PM

Berserker is also fun. Every time he shows up he does something awesome. He's a real hoot. waii

Till he meets Saber that is

[down] Well everything about this show is "fun" then, heheh. tongue

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:58:39 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#48855: Oct 23rd 2016 at 11:57:38 PM

I meant "fun" as in "It's an experience I'll find enjoyable or memorable to watch".

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#48856: Oct 24th 2016 at 12:03:25 AM

The rule about how many Servants you need to actually power the Grail is brought up at the end of Zero anyway. That's why I didn't explain it myself. That and fully explaining it would take some time as I'd probably have to explain a few other things that are major spoilers to Fate/Zero since you're going in blind.

edited 24th Oct '16 12:04:25 AM by Zelenal

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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#48857: Oct 24th 2016 at 12:31:16 AM

A homonculus, eh? What is this, FMA?

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#48858: Oct 24th 2016 at 1:02:23 AM

See guys, Arha is a black hole of nothingness and nihilism; he probably doesn't know what "fun" means.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Classifiedzerogoki from Canada Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#48859: Oct 24th 2016 at 1:06:20 AM

Zero tries too hard to be edgy in my opinion that it seems boring as a result, but that's probably due to my dislike of Urobuchi.

edited 24th Oct '16 1:20:54 AM by Classifiedzerogoki

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Krika Since: Dec, 2010
#48860: Oct 24th 2016 at 3:30:32 AM

See Sigma's entire existence for an example of that.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#48861: Oct 24th 2016 at 7:29:34 AM

@Link: Nasuverse Homunculi are Artificial Humans... that tend to have built-in superhuman abilities (typically magical in nature). More from the wiki.

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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#48862: Oct 24th 2016 at 8:46:44 AM

I figured-it's just that FMA was the last big series I watched, so I saw an opportunity to make a really terrible joke

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Shlugo_the_great Since: Sep, 2009
#48863: Oct 24th 2016 at 3:08:33 PM

Homunculi are more akin to designer babies than anything, though there seems to be some spectrum on how human they are.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#48864: Oct 24th 2016 at 3:43:46 PM

You know, I always wondered if some Master that lost his Servant could simply, you know, skip town after that? Is there anything beyond pride and stubborness stopping them?

Wake me up at your own risk.
Krika Since: Dec, 2010
#48865: Oct 24th 2016 at 3:57:12 PM

Oh no, they could get the hell out of the city and probably live. It's just that the average Magus wouldn't do that on principle, and most of the time if the Servant goes they tend to go pretty quickly because nobody wants a wild card floating around.

Shlugo_the_great Since: Sep, 2009
#48866: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:23:10 PM

They don't even have to show up to the party. They could very well hide out for the two weeks the grail is active and would probably not be found, but no magus would do that.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#48867: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:31:56 PM

I'm imagining a mage just sitting at home munching on popcorn with their servant while the other six kill each other off, and waltz in to Fuyuki to claim the Grail once everyone else is dead.

edited 24th Oct '16 4:34:13 PM by LinkToTheFuture

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#48868: Oct 24th 2016 at 4:58:27 PM

You could try, but if it's down to you and one other Master who was actually fighting the whole time, the Grail will descend for the person who was actually working for it.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#48869: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:04:45 PM

That's the risk, of course. If it were me, I would just try to not be a part of the War in the first place

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#48870: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:15:01 PM

Most magi wouldn't either. It's a backwoods ritual nobody important actually cares about.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#48871: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:20:55 PM

Backwoods, really? It certainly looks like a big deal.

I mean aren't the 3 big Magus families competing?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#48872: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:27:00 PM

They're not the big three families, they're the three families who started the thing.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#48873: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:27:08 PM

Of course, if you win, you get (in theory) to reach the Root, the goal of most Magi. But that's quite a long shot, so yeah...

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#48874: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:35:42 PM

Oh wow I always thought they were "the" big families not just big families.

Damn so this war has been going for centuries & its mostly between 3 households? Damn that's long time.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#48875: Oct 24th 2016 at 5:38:55 PM

Yep, nobody important even cares about Japan.

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