Type-Moon: Fate/stay night, Tsukihime, and Kara no Kyoukai discussion

Because they were unnecessary, didn't make sense, wasted time, made Berserker look like shit (seriously, wolves?) and just generally weren't very interesting.

GO: Gilgamesh, Lancelot, Medea, Prototype Cu Chulainn and Atalanta are now playable.

I found Mud Iri to be the weirdest thing they added to the anime.

But yeah, I see no point most of the scenes involving Illya, since she's really not that important in UBW.

What about the people who came in from Fate/Zero?

Are there many? I mean, apart from Waver.

Anyway, his scene in the last episode was totally overshadowed by Luvia.

Not characters, viewers. People who watched F/Z first, then this, and haven't seen anything else.

But yeah, I see no point most of the scenes involving Illya, since she's really not that important in UBW.

Pandering to the Ilya fanbase. She's very popular in Japan, after all.

Isn't an entire show dedicated to Illya running around in a frilly dress and having illicit relations with other prepubescent girls not enough for them?!

But seriously, if they wanted to pander to Illya fanbase they should adapted Fate route, where she's much more prominent.

As much as we all want to forget it, they already did that.

Well, it wasn't them, but yeah, I think that adaptation left the Fate route kind of toxic. The UBW movie may have been mediocre, but it at least didn't achieve memetic levels of bad acceptance and by now it's mostly forgotten if anything.

I personally think that it did a decent job of trying to make a single standalone adaptation of as much of Fate/Stay Night as it could - they gave focus to Caster, Assassin, and Kuzuki (who had a single scene each, and no plot-relevant scene, respectively) in an interesting mini-version of her villain arc in UBW, and brought the Sakura/Rin relationship as well as Sakura's status as a second Minor Grail in from HF, on top of doing some hinting at Archer's true identity, although there wasn't exactly much they could have added to that. Admittedly I think I watched the climactic episode once several years ago, so I don't remember specifics all too well, but I think it did a decent job of what it was supposed to do. It was made as an adaptation of as much of the game as they could really expand Fate into. Is that the best way they could have done it? No, and it certainly wasn't the best quality for what they picked, but I think that their decisions made sense.

Plus that Archer/Berserker fight is fucking Badass. I love it. Probably the best thing to come out of the anime.

So yeah, while I'm not saying that it's good, I think that the criticisms it gets for the additional plot are unwarranted given what they appear to have been trying to do.

Yeah, well, the public perception still is 'it was terrible!' anyway.

I don't think the Ilya garbage was Ilya fan pandering but just weak attempts to link FZ to UBW, which is the route most disconnected from it.

@Arha Yeah I still don't think the change was sympathetic because even when she killed him he was too sadistic. And she's still a complete tool like all of the time.

I mean this is the same chick who cuts off Shirou's limbs and turns him into an artificial NP. She simply isn't sympathetic, and neither is the scene where murders a guy for punching her.

That guy had it coming.

Yeah, that was the reason I was surprised when I heard they were doing UBW "Wait, didn't they say this is going to be continuation of Zero?"

Killing an asshole that murders orphans is better than killing some dude who is just vaguely irritating. If the story is going to claim that she's actually not a completely terrible person then she should do something that isn't completely evil for once.

Well maybe what they should do is not claim she's not completely terrible.

I mean, yeah, what was done to her was horrible, but she murdered her own children.

And then she hurts a lot of people to achieve her goals, gleefully tortures the leads, and just causes a lot of shit.

Hell, if she wasn't so fucking sadistic in everything she did, maybe Shirou and Rin might have agreed to work with her.

But she didn't care about the dead orphans. She thought it was inefficient, that's all.

So to me, there is no difference. He may have had it coming but that had no bearing on why Caster did it. She did it because she's fucking crazy.

Killing worse people is meaningless if it happens as a result of coincidence.

edited 31st Aug '15 7:39:54 PM by Saiga

Here here!

Her being able to love Suzuki (and only really wanting to stay with him), while under stable, and a sympathetic goal, does not mean she herself is sympathetic.

She apparel states in Hollow Ataraxia that she'd kill more people if it meant she had to in order to keep what she has.

It's worth noting Values Dissonance apparently makes the Japanese more accepting of the Retired Monster characters.

Eh. fine.

She still died, so fuck it.

I will continue to go on record saying that I really like Medea and really want a Caster Route. It's one of the reasons why I love Path of the King so much.

I think she thought the thing with the orphans was distasteful even if it wasn't her primary concern. I mean, I'm not saying it's why she killed him, just that killing him is less evil than it was in the original. Plus, he betrayed her instead of the other way around, which is another point in her favor.

Also, I do believe that she isn't killing anyone in Fuyuki with her draining. Putting them into brief comas, sure, but I don't think she ever killed anyone.

It's a minor thing but it's another point that she isn't completely evil. If you're completely unrelated from what's going on, she's not likely to kill you. Even if you're tangentially related, the worst she'll do is take over your body and make you kill your best friend when he asks a dangerous question.

See, you had me going until you reminded me of that last part.