Type-Moon: Fate/stay night, Tsukihime, and Kara no Kyoukai discussion

Yeah, well, Kairi's catalyst was not for a specific individual Servant, but rather for a specific group of Servants. It's this lack of sufficient specificity that activated the "choose based upon summoner's personality" contingency.

Have we ever gotten an answer on how they knew that skin really belonged to the world's first snake to start with?

Magic.

Sorry, Thaumaturgy.

Maybe it wasn't and they just treated it as such in mystical rituals or whatever which made it a sort of close enough approximation.

They actually picked it up off of eBay for, like, a buck fifty and were like "Good enough." It's why Gilgamesh was generally nettled with Tokiomi.

Maybe it was kept in a temple/shrine somewhere and hailed as such by the temple/shrine's keepers, and Tokiomi found it during his research in some dust-filled library of magecraft and other superntural lore, and using some magecraft equivalent of palaeontological analysis determined that the fossilized skin was so old and charged with residual magical energy of unpercedentedly ancient nature that it's almost certainly the genuine article, whereupon he "borrowed" it for use in the then-upcoming Grail War.

It's also possible that Gil just grabbed the snakeskin after the snake took his immortality potion herb whatever thingy and tossed it into the vault, where it was later discovered and taken.

It's worth noting that there's more than one catalyst per Servant. Oz in Fragments rattles off a list of catalysts that could have been used to summon him before his master shows him Nefertari's pendant.

Of course there could be multiple catalysts per Servant. I don't think anyone ever said there could only be one. I mean, take Arturia for example: Avalon, the canonical catalyst, remained in this world over the centuries. Rhongomyniad also remained in this world, apparently, so it's a potential second catalyst.

Also regarding Kireitsugu: they're used as an example of yaoi in Prisma Ilya.

.....

I'm not defending Prisma Ilya anymore. I'm done with that.

Prisma Illya is many, many things. Some of them are cool. Many others....less so.

You should probably stopped when Illya was Frenching and sodomizing Miyu.

Never condoned that. I liked it for other things, and felt the loli fan service hurt the story.

Now I won't even bother with the stuff I like. I'm not even sure if I'm gonna bother to keep reading the manga (and I've stopped watching the anime).

As far as I'm concerned, all that makes it worth it is the Emiya remix.

... Sodomizing?

Yeah, of course it's not what it looks like, right?◊

See how clean my hands are?

That's cause I've washed my hands of this series, at least in terms of defending it.

I just want to know where it's going. They wanna pull Loli bullshit, go ahead. I'm not gonna be the white knight.

Even when I first saw that without any prior spoiling descriptions, it looked like she's just pinning her by the hands to the bed to prevent her from escaping. Nothing truly NSFW came to mind.

And here I thought I was the resident Chivalrous Pervert with weird interests among Ala Iridia.

edited 29th Aug '15 1:47:58 PM by MarqFJA

I read it for the Rin and Luvia. Edit: and the Bazette, I guess.

I do admit I like the kid Fujoshi with the glasses, even if not that way.

edited 29th Aug '15 1:54:10 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

This. Especially Bazette. Nice to see what she can do when not being nerfed by the plot, as Nasu seems to love doing.

So Nasu nerfs her because he doesn't let her catch Noble Phantasms with her bare hands and respawn after getting killed?

@Marq - yeah, sure.

It seems I put more points in ignorance than you ever have Rob, because I can read Prisma Illya and ignore the terrible loliservice.

Though I must say I was surprised Miyu made a wish to be Shirou's sister and was genetically altered as a result.

What do you mean nerfed by plot? Bazett is really not that amazing.

Bazette is a lot like Shirou in that she kicks an incredible amount of ass given the right circumstances but isn't much outside of them.

Bazette is only amazing if she can get a Servant to use their Noble Phantasm on her (which is a feat in and of itself given how easily they can kill her). She should also be amazing against most Masters.

Shirou, likewise, is pretty much only amazing against himself and Gilgamesh. He might be able to surprise other Servants with his Tracing and that might let him win but it's not a sure thing. He should also be amazing against most Masters since magi generally don't have the means of countering Unlimited Blade Works even without it launching Noble Phantasms.

Ok, maybe I'm just biased cause I think she's cool.

Though I was talking more about the stabbed before she even got a chance to try thing.

I think even with her flaws, she'd do pretty well in the actual war.